Sniper training and qualification

[Vidar]

Split from this thread. http://www.airsoftpacific.com/viewtopic.php?t=32490




This training sounds like a joke. A pistol qualification? Targets at 150 feet? Come on. If the idea of establishing a benchmark for allowing people to use a certain kind of rifle wasn't already absurd, I would think you would at least set the bar higher than I could meet with a straight-out-of-the-box clone AEG.

EDIT: By the way, airsoft is a game. I can begin to understand requiring people to attend a safety course before they are allowed to use a high FPS weapon, but having a proficiency requirement is ridiculous.

[Peaches]

This training sounds like a joke. A pistol qualification? Targets at 150 feet? Come on. If the idea of establishing a benchmark for allowing people to use a certain kind of rifle wasn't already absurd, I would think you would at least set the bar higher than I could meet with a straight-out-of-the-box clone AEG.

EDIT: By the way, airsoft is a game. I can begin to understand requiring people to attend a safety course before they are allowed to use a high FPS weapon, but having a proficiency requirement is ridiculous.

I fully agree with having a requirement like that with something that is shooting hot like that. It makes the game much more enjoyable, especially when you might have some noob who doesn't know safety distances, and doesn't know when not to pull the trigger especially with fully cranked up BAR-10.

[Vidar]

I'm a little confused. Are you saying that you agree with the safety class requirement, or the above-listed proficiency requirements? There's a difference between being safe with an airsoft gun, and being skilled with one.

I personally feel that as soon as you start requiring people to meet a skill level, it changes the atmosphere of the game completely, and not necessarily for the better.

[wake.joe]

Don't play Praetorian Guard games, then.

Either way, it would be nice of you to leave their game thread alone.

[Vidar]

Well, that's the problem, mate. I'd like to potentially play Praetorian Guard games, but this seems like the kind of thing that would make me not want to.

This is, after all, a forum. If there's no discussion, then what's the point?

[KA-BAR]

i have been useing bolt platforms for most of my entire airsoft career.

i have never and probably will never play at roy field, or a SA game in my entire airsoft career.


looks like i dont need this event whatsoever and still be able to turn a bolt at plenty of games throughout the year.

enuff said.

[MitchD]

I think your all getting a little worked up over nothing before you even give the OP a chance to reply. LOL

When I read it, I see it as more of a combination of training and a competition for the people attending. As well as a chance for them to make sure some jackhole is not running around their games with a 550FPS gun shooting people point blank. Hence the certification for "their" games. I really do not find any fault with that.

[Matt]

This training sounds like a joke. A pistol qualification? Targets at 150 feet? Come on. If the idea of establishing a benchmark for allowing people to use a certain kind of rifle wasn't already absurd, I would think you would at least set the bar higher than I could meet with a straight-out-of-the-box clone AEG.

EDIT: By the way, airsoft is a game. I can begin to understand requiring people to attend a safety course before they are allowed to use a high FPS weapon, but having a proficiency requirement is ridiculous.

No offense, but nobody here is asking for your opinion. This isn't a "hey you guys, what you do think of my game idea?" topic. It's a posted event. If you don't like it, don't attend. If you have questions about the event because you are thinking about attending, by all means, ask.

Anything else along this line of discussion in the thread will be deleted or split from the topic.

[Catch22]

I think your all getting a little worked up over nothing before you even give the OP a chance to reply. LOL

When I read it, I see it as more of a combination of training and a competition for the people attending. As well as a chance for them to make sure some jackhole is not running around their games with a 550FPS gun shooting people point blank. Hence the certification for "their" games. I really do not find any fault with that.

I saw just this scenario at 1st swords sniper qualification.
I was working one station and i saw one kid come up with a DMR that he said was shooting 450 fps. The first target you had to use your pistol. This kid couldn't hit the target with his pistol. He pulled the trigger as fast as he could to unload the mag. I think he might have hit it once.
When i walked over to the 50 foot marker, the kid tried to lay on the ground to get in a position. He then sat up in a sitting position then finally stood up.
He didnt take a shot yet.
Finally in a standing position, he proceeded to unload his small cap as fast as he can. I had to take cover due to the amount of stray bb's coming my way.
I gained a new respect for the course that is offered by AP, Spokane, PG and 1st sword.
Being a sniper just isnt pulling the trigger. The amount of work it takes to get to the position to take the shot is what i found to be interesting.

I think these courses weed out those individuals that want to run as a sniper but are unable to. Thus, showing those that are qualified that there is always room for improvement.

[MitchD]

Anything else along this line of discussion in the thread will be deleted or split from the topic.

Thanks for taking care of that.

[Cap n pickles]

Yeah, it sounds like it makes it so not just ANYONE can pass the Testing. Keeps the Kids with the new L96 and VSR's off the field..

I like the idea.

[Pope_Alex_Kaeda_I]

I think your all getting a little worked up over nothing before you even give the OP a chance to reply. LOL

When I read it, I see it as more of a combination of training and a competition for the people attending. As well as a chance for them to make sure some jackhole is not running around their games with a 550FPS gun shooting people point blank. Hence the certification for "their" games. I really do not find any fault with that.

I saw just this scenario at 1st swords sniper qualification.
I was working one station and i saw one kid come up with a DMR that he said was shooting 450 fps. The first target you had to use your pistol. This kid couldn't hit the target with his pistol. He pulled the trigger as fast as he could to unload the mag. I think he might have hit it once.
When i walked over to the 50 foot marker, the kid tried to lay on the ground to get in a position. He then sat up in a sitting position then finally stood up.
He didnt take a shot yet.
Finally in a standing position, he proceeded to unload his small cap as fast as he can. I had to take cover due to the amount of stray bb's coming my way.
I gained a new respect for the course that is offered by AP, Spokane, PG and 1st sword.
Being a sniper just isnt pulling the trigger. The amount of work it takes to get to the position to take the shot is what i found to be interesting.

I think these courses weed out those individuals that want to run as a sniper but are unable to. Thus, showing those that are qualified that there is always room for improvement.

At the risk of making a quote tunnel . . . . .

I've been asked in the past why I'm dead against any electric/semi-automatic whatever being used over 400fps, and this thread offers me an opportunity to stand up here on this soap box (I got this soap box from the 'Tide' soap company, please support their company and purchase Tide Laundry Soap). Really I'm against them being over 330fps, but as the accepted standard has been 400fps, I've gone with that. Anyway, before I go off on a different tangent while standing on this soap box . . . . .

As has been stated before, I'm old. An ancient bleeding geezer. I was around before there was light, rode a dinosaur to school, and had Jesus Christ as a Mess Corporal when I was soldiering around. In the years long long ago, there were no FPS limits.

I personally planted a bb IN a guys face using a PSG1 that was over 500fps because I was too close (and then I watched the guy pop it oud like he was popping a pimple - gross). I watched as a stray bb from either Foley (over 400fps), or Chris O'Mara's (over 500fps) gun shot out Jesse from Nukeproof's tooth. And thats only a couple examples. More exist, I just really don't feel like taking us all down a jaunt down memory lane. Also, my alzheimers is acting up.

Anyway, every couple months, some whiny phony pony who can't shoot, but fancies themself a marksman, wants their particular class of weapon to get a special exemption so they can operate at a higher power level than everyone else. They say they 'need' the extra range. Somehow, a scope magicaly gives an M16 more range? I've run a scope on a M16, and kids . . . . . its still a 3-500 meter rifle. Just now you can see the target a little more clearly. Thats It. Out in the really-real-world, a scope doesn't make your bullet travel any faster or any further, it just allows you to see your target a little more clearly.

As Toddski reported, theres bleeding assclown kids who make up for their shitty skills with volume of fire. Thats the reality of all the little kiddies who say their rifle is a "DMR", or that they're their teams "Marksman". They're just another cant-shoot pissant who slapped a scope on a rifle and now they're looking for a higher power level, so they can continue to throw a ton of fire at a target, continue to miss, but now when they do hit, they're seeking to cause more physical harm to their target.

I'm going to step down off my soap box now, wander over to my dinosaur (he's a very sexual tyranasaurus, and he's looking at your car with a little bit of lust. Its probably a good idea that we get out of here before he decides your geo metro is a lady t-rex), and ride off into the sunset.

High Ho Silver. . . Away!

[PSLegacy]

To me its their field, and their choice. It feels a bit mightier than thou on the surface, but the intent appears to be that PG wants make sure that Snipers in their events have some awareness and skill, and do not fit the examples that others in this thread have listed.

All I could say if you do not like it, don't attend. Its not like they have a monopoly on events.

[Patrick750]

I know airsoft is a game but the training is optional. It's for the new kids who know they're not totally 1337 to get some practice in so they don't get laughed at by the veterans on the field. But I stick to my comment I said on that thread where I kind of pointed out that there will be lots of 12 year olds with bar 10's there. Maybe after this training they'll realize sniping is nothing like halo and will buy a real airsoft gun.

[KA-BAR]

It's for the new kids who know they're not totally 1337 to get some practice in so they don't get laughed at by the veterans on the field..

this is totally laughable....


if you show up to a game demanding special treatment because you got a "pratorian Guard" sniper badge with your picture on it, i am going to laugh my a$$ off, IN YOUR FACE....then talk lots of shit about you.

i was going to host a sniper gathering called ghilleman 2010, but since this is going on i think ill reserve that for something else.