OP: SOLOMON'S PASS March 10 Signup Thread

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Postby KA-BAR » Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:58 am

i think it was wickers but i cannot be sure, if it was maxximo i would have teabagged him personally for you., the second half of the day i got bored wearing the claymore on my vest with the deadman switch. now i am wishing i did have it on, cause i would have just pushed the button, and taken him and his buddy with me.
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Postby chapped » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:04 am

TOP-H wrote:And while I agree that any budget type concerns shouldn't be posted publicly, and team leaders probably know this. I do think that some sort of Bi-laws for APL/NWAL should be. that way we all know 1 what it takes to become a member in APL/NWAL, and 2 what the deal is for additional monies made on an OP.


A website for the NWAL is currently on the drawing board. This will clarify the seperation between the league and AP. It will also clarify league rules and requirements.
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Postby Seagreen » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:40 am

I had a good time.

This event has been better run than any of the previous OP's Zues has set up. There was a minimum of downtime in comparison to the past. It worked.

Seemed like IASF rolled up the Taliban throughout the day. The Tali medics and infantry were not working together to keep themselves reinforced properly. The IASF medics were just behind the push and everyone was helping drag the wounded to the aid station. Matter of fact I was hit in the back just as I reached the aid station and was pulled in and fixed.

All in all, sure I woulda liked to see an earlier start, but other than that I had a great time.
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Postby Bulldog » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:51 am

I had a great time. The Firefights on top of Hamburger hill in the first game were freaking insane. Ive never had to hit the dirt that much before. Thanks
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Postby Matt » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:01 pm

Now that I've had time to sleep on it, I'd like to make a few more comments.

Firstly, thanks Angelo for spending so much of your free time to put together the scenario and work on planning this OP. My involvement this time was purely gathering sponsors and running the signup, I had nothing to do with the OP itself... Angelo wrote and planned it all on his own. I appreciate the ability to be able to play instead of worrying about everything else... And dude, I hope you can get in some trigger time action on a future OP run by another one of us.

Also, I greatly appreciate the participation of APST, Knuckles, and Riddick in helping us run a smooth registration. Even with 367 people, it seemed like that process was extremely efficient compared to last time. Lines weren't massive and we ended reg on time.

If there were a few things I would change about this OP, it would be:

1. More even distribution of experienced teams. This is hard to do by numbers alone, and not everybody wants to be Taliban. This is the problem with any US vs. Terrorist game.

2. More admins. Admittedly, everybody really wanted to play, but with a few more admins helping to run things... Many of the problems could have been avoided. Start time was a little slow, but trying to place 367 people and get them ready to roll in individual spawn points is a hard job for 1 man. So is enforcing rules at each spawn point.... You can only be in one place at one time. More admins = better control.

There is a lot to be said about capping games or doing invite only, but sometimes the very point of a "BIG OP" is to get EVERYBODY and their dog out to the game so that we can all hang out. It was fun to see many faces I haven't seen in a while, and also fun to get to roll with many teams I haven't or have never played alongside before. I am so glad the weather held out, if you stayed home because you thought it might rain... You missed a good time!

There's already another one in planning for May. Thanks everybody for coming out!
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Postby Nightshade » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:27 pm

I have only two gripes I had about this game. Yes, there was cheating (on both sides) but I never saw it being the huge deal that a lot of people are making it out to be. Maybe everywhere I go my inspiring prescence makes people follow the rules. Maybe it's because I just wasn't paying attention. Who knows? I saw very little hacking on the Taliban side, and almost none on our side. As far as honor goes, I think this was one of the better games.

1. We didn't start on time (as if we ever do), then we had to pull back to the parking lot after round one for some clarification. I understand WHY we did it, but the fact that we had to kind of irks me.
2. The second is that for whatever reason, both times that my platoon started in Field One we started receiving fire BEFORE the horn. BOTH times. Even the time RIGHT AFTER Zeus explained that you have to wait for the siren.

Taliban, from my vantage point this is what I saw your weaknesses were:

1. Organization. In our team forum we lined out who was with that team, what platoon they were in, what squad they were in. Then during our briefing we all lined up in our squads and platoons, had the PLs and the SLs introduce themselves. That way even the attachments who hadn't played with us before knew who their commanders were. This allowed for easy communication on the field. "Echo Platoon, Second Squad, move left!" and BAM... we were rolling left. I didn't just see this in Echo platoon but with ALL of the platoons on our side.
2. Force size. Until we hit major villages or towns, we only ever encountered 6 - 8 guys at a time. Since we were moving in large, 45-man elements, it made sweeping you guys aside fairly easy.
3. Medics. As previously pointed-out, your units hardly ever used your medics. If they did, it was easy to pick off the runners since they were given no covering fire. This led to a giant cluster of Taliban with red rags on their heads. This was MOST prevalent to me during the assault on "The Village" in the first mission.

Thank you to:

- Dunecorps for holding on to the top of Hamburger Hill for all of that time, regardless of the amount of fire you were receiving. When some of us from Echo platoon finally got there, you guys were COVERED in bandages. Literally, their upper chests and arms were covered in bandages they had received from the aid station. I'm sure a lot of the "hacking" calls from the "ACU wearing faggots" (Dunecorps, mainly) is because of this battle. I was impressed with your ability to dig in like ticks and not give an inch while still remaining upbeat. I can easily see you guys becoming one of the premier teams in the NW with a little more time and effort.

- Whoever the guys in tigerstripe were that flanked the Taliban position on Hamburger Hill just prior to us moving up. That was an excellent stroke of luck that our attacks happend at the same time, the Talis had no idea what to do or how to counter that. Excellent work.

- Also the people on Hamburger Hill who weren't getting angry with me when I was literally picking some of your up and throwing you into the assault. It wasn't personal, and it paid off.

- The mofos who were with me for that first suicide charge on The Village in round one. I fully expected to get reamed but we ended up getting a foothold there and eventually taking it. Awesome work.

- Of course, thanks to our sponsors and Angelo for putting this all on.

- Thank you to the people who followed mine and Postman's instructions on how and where to park. Having all of you guys there was a logistical nightmare, but you helped it to go smoothly. In fact, the only person we had any issues with was one of the teenagers who expected us to somehow know that he worked there without communicating that fact to us.
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Postby pittsmen » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:40 pm

Dantes wrote:2. More admins. Admittedly, everybody really wanted to play, but with a few more admins helping to run things... Many of the problems could have been avoided. Start time was a little slow, but trying to place 367 people and get them ready to roll in individual spawn points is a hard job for 1 man. So is enforcing rules at each spawn point.... You can only be in one place at one time. More admins = better control.


For the record I saw issues very early in this game and offered zues myself as an admin. I would gladly sit out to raise the level of play but I was turned down. 1 field admin is not enough.

In my opinion this was a very very bad op. Instead I will conceed that it was a very good, large scale, glorified sector controll game.
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Postby Zack » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:41 pm

Nothing i can say that hasn't been said about 20 times EXCEPT:
I would like to say i'm sorry to the group of guys in ACU's up on the back of hamaburger hill. The ones I opened fire on right after the end of the first round. My companion and I did not here the game off siren, mostly because were way too far back behind you to do it. Also, congrrats to Variable on keeping OITA decently well organized amidst the gian, unco-ordinated cluster shazaam that was the teeming masses of the Taliban side. Nothing against you Ka-Bar, because the cluster bleeding i mentioned was vastly out of your control.

And even though it's been said repeatedly, I'll say it again:

THANK YOU FOR A GREAT GAME!
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Postby mrice1 » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:42 pm

I had a great time rolling with APST in Echo platoon. Especially since they cut me in on the rigged raffle!

My only gripe was the game on/game off confusion. We were taking fire and not returning it. I signed up to play the USMC, not the UN.
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Postby Warhawk » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:48 pm

i enjoyed the first round alot. i was the SAW gunner For Echo 1. i had to run all over th eplace cuz someone would yell we need suppression fire, then my squad leader would be tellin gus to move out at the same time. but it was really fun. oh and by the way. whoever that kid was that yelled "Its Over". Im the one who shot him. he wasnt calling his hits the first 4 times i shot him. and since i had an auto feeading 2500 round box mag on the SAw i decided to make it crystal clear that he was hit.
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Postby Seagreen » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:52 pm

In my opinion this was a very very bad op.


You have never been to an event with this many people.

OP: Objectives and Leadership required.

Done and done.

I don't know what broke down in the Taliban leadership. I just know the IASF's didn't. Don't blame the game for a breakdown, blame yourself for not stepping up and turning the tide.

Did EATF leave before the end of the event? I didn't see you on the field in the second half.
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Postby sonshadowcat » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:53 pm

I don't think anyone has? I thought this was the biggest event held by AP?
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Postby Seagreen » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:55 pm

In the NW period at this point. I think this is the beginning of large scale OPs in the NW. Everyone appears to be committed to making big games instead of a bunch of small ones.
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Postby Nightshade » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:58 pm

I haven't heard of any ops in the entire United States being that large.
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Postby Newcomb » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:58 pm

it was a good op and i loved it since it was my first. One thing that got at me was we(the Taliban) got clusterf**ked in the village on the first round other then that i had a grand old time getting shot and and shooting others. Thanks Zeus for the great game.
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