Blanks in airsoft

[Shortbu]

I think blank fire is an awesome element, but would only like it in games where 18 was the absolute age minimum. Those turds wouldn't wear ear pro no matter how many times they were told, then you'd potentially wind up with parents trying to sue for their kids hearing damage( real or not). Too much of a liability issue with kids around.
As for people not calling blank fire hits, there's plenty that don't have the integrity to call actual hits. It doesn't tend to bother me like it used to, and I know it would be even worse with blanks. It is what it is,if you expect it,the "cool"factor outweighs the "hack" factor for me.

[Zeta Crossfire]

I think I'll always have issues with people pointing a real gun at me blanks or no blanks, but there have been games where the admins fired blanks towards the ground when groups were charging each other. As long as it's regulated very, very, strictly I'm ok with blanks on site. I just can't override the years of gun safety and feel ok aiming at someone else, or having them aim at me.

[tumbledry]

Guy who didn't call his grenade hit (cheating) sat in the corner, as my friend and the number two guy made entry, the cheater raised his gun and shot it right into his face. Burns? Yes. Metal, however small? Yes, and enough to ruin my friends eye and face. Don't tell him I said the part bout his face.

Theirs always cheaters.

You can stop making up stories to satisfy your point now.

[Jerm_G]

Zeta, the pointing of blank fire guns at willing participants is fine in reguards to firearms safety. The firearm is rendered incapable of discharging a live round. It's done in every military infantry unit in the armed forces and in many LEO agencies. Sims are no different. Act like an adult, be responcable and things will be ok. Gun play has risks. Airsoft has risks. When you play a game with said risks, you assume a level of liability and accept that injury can occure. The promoter has the right to run his events as he sees fit as long as the event operates within the confines of the law. If you dont like the rules, dont play. Your friend was the victim of an unfortunate accident. Knowing how BFAs work, I am willing to bet there is more to that story than what is being told though.

[ClownBaby]

Tumbledry, no need to make up shit. Just because something hasn't happened to you before, doesn't mean it can't happen.

Not here to impress anyone, or stroke my ego.

[Cosmos]

I feel comfortable with blank fire with careful regulation and oversight. I agree that it is probably best to limit players of that game to be 18 years of age plus. I am also okay with NOT allowing blank fire indoors. At Crimean Crisis I had a situation where I was behind a wall of a small electrical shed for cover and was firing out at players 20 yards away. Some nice fellow was being sneaky and ran up on the shed and attempted to safety kill me. Instead he had blank fire go off about 2 feet from his face when he suddenly poked his head around the corner as I was firing a round on another player. He was fine and laughing about it instantly. It was also pure accidental coincidence and wasn't a case of just shooting at movement without dicipline. However I can see this scenario playing out a lot inside of a building with lots of doorways and corners. I think that blank fire should be limited to certain milsim oriented events i.e. Crimean Crisis as this naturally weeds out a lot of the people who might not be as safety minded as others. Your average jackass style airsofter who likes to hack and dump mags into dudes from 5 feet away doesnt want to spend $100+ to follow orders and hike 12 miles for 1 firefight. I also think that those who play with others using blank fire should extend a certain amount of courtesy and call a hit when they know they are dead to rights. With airsoft we may have people dead to rights but for some reason that bb just won't hit them. The small advantage of blank fire should be to extend engagement distances a little, as well as even if that leaf might have stopped a bb, 5.56 would have done the job. It would be fair if you on the receiving end take a moment to realize this and acknowledge your demise and just be cool with it. Just saying "I'm never going to call a blank fire hit ever" just seems like hacking to me. That nice fellow from before very graciously called his hit because he knew he just effectively had his head blown off. He could have been a jerk and safety killed me or even hit me with a bb...but he was cool.

[tumbledry]

Tumbledry, no need to make up shit. Just because something hasn't happened to you before, doesn't mean it can't happen.

Not here to impress anyone, or stroke my ego.

I'm not trying to derail this thread but seriously that "story" doesn't even make sense. I can guarantee you there are more injuries from airsoft guns than 5.56 blank fire.

[Junto]

Don't like them, don't go to the events they're in use at.

If you have the burning desire to be more awesome than the average dude, do go to the events they're in use at.

You'll note this simple solution mitigates all need for debate. You can like what you like, they can like what they like.

[Payback]

The small advantage of blank fire should be to extend engagement distances a little, as well as even if that leaf might have stopped a bb, 5.56 would have done the job.

Accuracy counts. When your blank firing at 200ft how do we know that your not 2ft off left or right? Airsoft you know your off cause a real object isn't hitting the other person. Part of airsoft that i prefer is that if your not hitting the guy, you have to move and get closer to get that sure hit shot. Not just pretend.

It would be fair if you on the receiving end take a moment to realize this and acknowledge your demise and just be cool with it. Just saying "I'm never going to call a blank fire hit ever" just seems like hacking to me. If your 10 ft that wouldn't be a problem, but if your 50 to 200ft away and expecting a guy running flat out to call the hit, or a guy inside a room that your shooting into call it, then keep wishing. Or use better imagination so your fake round is more accurate.

That nice fellow from before very graciously called his hit because he knew he just effectively had his head blown off. He could have been a jerk and safety killed me or even hit me with a bb...but he was cool.He should have just used his level 2 lookalike gun and shot back.

I think the blank fire would be great for sound ambiance, but not for immersion of actual gameplay. It may be the best thing ever if your pulling the trigger, sitting just outside the range of the airsoft guns, and getting "hits" on those other players.

Like Junto said, i won't go to events where it's used side by side with airsoft, it's not for me and I feel it's not for a large group of average players. But for the milsim elite, yeah. Apples and oranges.

[Steve]

I appreciate it when promoters disclose that blank fire will be used at their events. I choose not to participate in events where blanks are fired. Being forward of someone else's muzzle, even with blanks, is something that I am no longer interested in experiencing.

I understand that others choose to participate / host blank-fire airsoft events, and wish them well.



Also note: the AK-47 blank fire devices I used overseas restricted the muzzle diameter to smaller than 7.62 mm, but did not fully obstruct it. Particulates, flame, and hot gasses were discharged directly forward of the muzzle. They threaded onto the rifle in place of the flash hider.

[Cosmos]

The small advantage of blank fire should be to extend engagement distances a little, as well as even if that leaf might have stopped a bb, 5.56 would have done the job.

Accuracy counts. When your blank firing at 200ft how do we know that your not 2ft off left or right? Airsoft you know your off cause a real object isn't hitting the other person. Part of airsoft that i prefer is that if your not hitting the guy, you have to move and get closer to get that sure hit shot. Not just pretend.
M4/M16 easily capable of hitting a man sized target at 100 yards/300 feet, beyond actually. Especially if static. Minimal training ensures this

It would be fair if you on the receiving end take a moment to realize this and acknowledge your demise and just be cool with it. Just saying "I'm never going to call a blank fire hit ever" just seems like hacking to me. If your 10 ft that wouldn't be a problem, but if your 50 to 200ft away and expecting a guy running flat out to call the hit, or a guy inside a room that your shooting into call it, then keep wishing. Or use better imagination so your fake round is more accurate. As I mentioned before if I have CLEAR(dead to rights) shot on you and you see me firing on you, call it. I don't expect someone at a full run side to side to call it. The people I encountered were doing the thing I hate about airsoft, which is running straight at me because they were not being hit by little bbs. Little to no tactical movement. If you recall I mentioned firing at people 20 yards away,... that equals 60 feet. To add they were in the open except the one guy who took cover behind the 4 inch high ant hill
At least some of those guys should have called hit
How about using more logic so that your argument is more accurate?

That nice fellow from before very graciously called his hit because he knew he just effectively had his head blown off. He could have been a jerk and safety killed me or even hit me with a bb...but he was cool.He should have just used his level 2 lookalike gun and shot back.
As I said, this fellow was cool. He had honor and a sense of fair play. Is that something that seems foreign to you?

I think the blank fire would be great for sound ambiance, but not for immersion of actual gameplay. It may be the best thing ever if your pulling the trigger, sitting just outside the range of the airsoft guns, and getting "hits" on those other players.
Blank fire along with it's associated play rules requires airsofters to move tactically and use cover and concealment rather that just bum rush.

Like Junto said, i won't go to events where it's used side by side with airsoft, it's not for me and I feel it's not for a large group of average players.
You are absolutely correct. It is not for large groups of AVERAGE players
But for the milsim elite, yeah. Apples and oranges.

[Payback]

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M4/M16 easily capable of hitting a man sized target at 100 yards/300 feet, beyond actually. Especially if static. Minimal training ensures this

No Shit? Wow, I never knew. Oh yeah, we aren't using live rounds are we. It's an airsoft game.


How about using more logic so that your argument is more accurate?

Thanks, i'm so stupid some times. I just never undersood how airsoft is now supposed to be blank fire. And if you read my post again, you'll see that i never mentioned dead to right shots. I'm talking about the shots over the range of an airsoft gun or ones that most people miss when shooting airsoft. (running side to side). Those are the shots i wouldn't call, because as far as the target knows you were aiming in the air and pulled the trigger. The 20 yard shots (thanks for doing the math on how many feet that is, i stayed up all night on that one) are obvious if your hit even with a pretend round. Those anyone would call a hit on.


As I said, this fellow was cool. He had honor and a sense of fair play. Is that something that seems foreign to you?

So now it comes down to me being a hacker and having no honor and that i can't play fair? Lets break this down. This is an airsoft web site, we play airsoft games, the thread is about blanks in AIRSOFT. I expect that when i go to an airsoft game to be shot at with airsoft bb's and when i'm hit i call them, even ones i'm not sure about.

What i have a problem with blanks is the possible hacker on the trigger of the blank weapon. And the almost guaranteed bitching and whining when the inevitable question arises of weather or not somebody was hit or not. It's been said in this thread that blanks were used to out range airsoft guns. That's 150 to 250ft (that's 50 to 83 yards) how is it known that the shot wasn't wide, short, too high? You don't.

I don't have an issue with safety on them, even tho i don't like the thought of somebody shooting something real my way with pretend rounds (Brandon Lee?)


I don't see the need for blank fire to be used as part of an airsoft game (players using them the same as an airsoft gun), but the use of them to enhance the experience is fine, or using one in a squad of airsoft guns. (for the sound, not actually being effective).


What i see happening is more and more games will have blank fire, and more and more people will start to use them, and more and more bitching and whining will happen on both ends of the blank fire weapon. Isn't there enough already?

You are absolutely correct. It is not for large groups of AVERAGE players Eliteness at it's best. That's where blank fire used in airsoft is going to go. The new breed of gearwhores and tactical airsoft rangers.
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[tucansam21]

Not to waste a post but... yes ^^^

[Shortbu]

I really can't stand people trying to turn AP into a hand holding session, but turning it into a personal argument/phony pony session is equally ineffective (although amusing). Getting overly aggresive, or overly defensive are counter productive, and I don't believe it's why the original post was started.
It's pretty simple, either you do, or you don't like blank fire present at games. Whether you do or don't,say so, state why, and leave it at that. If people take issue, and can't refute without attacking, or you can't take constructive criticism from replies without getting aggresively defensive, then man up, contact them personally, and squash it! It's like being in an office full of bitchy women, and only creates separation in the community. Anybody got an issue with me, or my post, shoot me a PM, give me call, or hit me up at an event. I'd be more than happy to discuss it like an adult.

[McNair]

.. I'd be more than happy to discuss it like an adult.

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