Condor is now Milsim.....

[Jose]

Ok muñecas, lets all calm down, I guess every body wears what they want, and if you care what other people think , you are a dumb a$$, every body has the right to brag about what ever they want, who are we to say other wise, you can't never make happy every body at the same time, me personally like high end stuff, but is condor came out with a nice looking replica pc I'll wear it, to me is more like how they look then performance, after all, I'm not goin to be in real battle, for people that like to spend a lot of money on gear, good for them, for people that like to spend not alot, good for them, be sides if you are a baddy, with high end gear or low end gear you allways goin to be a baddy, and if condor is been used over seas to me it is MILSIM!!.

[Nark]

I'm not finding/having an issue with Condor, it works and it's cost effective. I just find it odd that it's being given to guys overseas when even airsofters place it pretty low on the quality list. Hence the :/

[dos_Santos]

What does that say about airsofters? Exactly...

[Pacman]

I'm with Jew ^

[Eudorus]

Nothing especially interesting.

[Darius137]

Please guys stay on topic. The topic of troll/countertroll.

Also surprised James/Eudorus was the one who tried to stop it. I definitely lost that round in my Fantasy Troll league!

[Darius137]

Shit, Condor gear is fine for Airsoft. Knockoff gear simulates real gear. Isn't that what the sim in Mil-sim stands for? Simulation. You can buy the real deal stuff if you want, but so what if it lasts forever. Kids are just going to run out and buy the next newest wiz-bang plate carrier the minute it's featured in a major war movie and the shit you have now won't be fashionable anymore. May as well buy it cheap. It all looks the same from 10 feet away.

[frogfish]

I'm not finding/having an issue with Condor, it works and it's cost effective. I just find it odd that it's being given to guys overseas when even airsofters place it pretty low on the quality list. Hence the :/

You'll find a lot of guys have to buy the kit they need, rather than being given it, even high speed guys. When you have to buy kit and your options are something that costs $45 or something that costs $15, more often than not dudes will spend $15 and spend the other $30 on a nice dinner with a girlfriend/wife/kids or alcohol, even if it gets destroyed you can buy another and still have spent less.

You also have to remember for some people airsoft is 90% fashion show, 10% putting out and that putting out is showing up to take pictures just before everyone heads home... its about 50/50 for me, I like kit

[Tork]

Yeah +1 for Welsh. He has helped me and many others with "Loadouts" and i don't think of him as an elitist.

But i agree that some Condor gear is built to last. Personally the difference between 1000D Cordura and 600 Denier Nylon Fiber is huge... and most Condor gear is 600D :/

[frogfish]

its about 50/50 for me, I like kit

50/50 my a$$, Mr HPC with 2002 and ANVIS

err, 6094, Airframe, and ANVIS, gah get it right :P . Still can't find an HPC in SG in my size....


Yeah Condor's stitching is crap, but then again so is Crye's in some places... they single stitched the shoulder straps on the JPC, and I've seen the crotch blow out on more than a few pair of combat pants.

[dos_Santos]

That's the problem with Condor I experienced. Bad stitching, misaligned molle, etc. I have mostly HSGI stuff now, and it gets the job done and it's good quality. Not "milsim" per se, but it's comfy.

[Chesty_01]

I only have a couple opinions on this particular thread.

First, Condor gear is NOT replica. If it will hold armor and armor plates, how could it be considered replica? What is it replicating? I for one, just sold over $4700 worth of condor pouches, carriers (MOPC's) and other miscellaneous gear to outfit the entire Washington State Patrol SWAT team, all 26 of them. If they (who use that shit everyday) use Condor gear, how could anyone say its a replica?

Second, apparently most of you do not truly understand how the SF community works. Most of them have to beg borrow and steal any and all gear they can get their hands on due to their budget, if any. They spray paint their shit, wear whatever they need to get that particular job done, that particular day. Navy SEAL's do not wear Desert MARPAT when going into a wooded environment, they wear whatever blends in to their surroundings. A very good friend of mine was Para-rescue for many many years, and was an Army Ranger prior to that, and now is on a SWAT Team. Most of us on here do not have a clue as to what SF guys do while on deployment due to OPSEC, so how could any of you set here, and tell anyone new or old that their "Kit" is not accurate? From Pictures? NO!! If you have not been there, if you have not earned it, you DO NOT have the right, nor the privilege to explain to anyone about what they need to have an accurate "Kit".

Hell, most of you do not even understand the true reason for even wearing camouflage, let alone know what a freaking Navy SEAL's or Delta team wears, or what guns and equipment they use. This is airsoft, nothing more and nothing less. If a guy wants to buy thousands of dollars worth of gear he thinks SEAL teams wear then so be it. Who freaking cares. I would venture to guess, there are less then 5 people on here (including myself) has ever even worked with an SF unit in theater. I have only met one from AP that has.

Jesus Christ, you fuckers have got me rolling again....lol I am sitting here typing this because of all the hype/bullshit about impressions and you don't have that so your not legit.....blah blah blah... Guess what dumbass, neither are you. You know why? Because your fat, and have never went through what those guys have, and you never will, cause your a cute kitty. And yes, Im a big cute kitty too, cause I would never even think about going SF. Get over yourself. If you want to look like what you think is a Navy SEAL when you play airsoft, then so be it. But seriously, don't sit at your computer and try to tell 16 y/o Johnny that his "Kit" is not accurate. That's just retarded.

Oh, and if you need condor gear cause your lame like me.....Let me know, I have shitloads of it!!!!

[Snowman]

Ah, the old "you don't do it, you can't know it" argument...

For the record, I didn't see anyone call Condor "replica", just "crappy". And relatively speaking, if you (as a community) are using a certain brand and it falls apart easily, it's perfectly reasonable to relate that minuscule experience to larger area, eg a MOPC shits itself while you take a seat in a ditch at an airsoft game, you can infer that it would meet a similar fate on a high-stress operation outside the wire.

And I smell a huge whiff of "they can use whatever they want" bullshit, too...

lol, "earning the right" to comment on the use of nylon for collecting purposes....heh heh, that made me chuckle...

Aaaand, I see plenty of people get Condor gear for situations purely because they were not aware of what else is out there. The vast majority of LEOs and Mil guys are not gearwhores. They just walk into the PX/BX and see a wall lined with Condor, so they just get that instead, all the while not knowing that there is far better shit out there. So it's perfectly believable that a SWAT team would get a bunch of MOPCs over, for example, a bunch of LEEPCs.

[frogfish]

Ah, the old "you don't do it, you can't know it" argument...

Of course coming from someone who "didn't do it".... I'll tell you this, you don't have to "do it" to know, many people who are civillians work closely with, and also supply SEALs, CAG, Rangers, ect with their kit. My last job was to sell units under SOCOM and JSOC new nifty things because they had the budget to throw around unlike most conventional ground combat units. If I can know what is commonly used so can anyone else with access to the internet and the interest to find out.

Was that not a picture of you on Arnies?

Which one, I don't have a 2002 (My work gave me a FAST Ballistic that I exchange for an Airframe with a buddy a few years back as he couldn't use the Airframe on deployment, thing is too light to use anything else) and I wish I had a Paraclete HPC...

[frogfish]

Meh its the internet, its just tool waving till someone gets annoyed enough to leave, even if you present logical and factual material it never ends well. I'm just bored enough to present my first hand experiences, and sometimes even bored enough to argue.

I believe some Condor kit is cloned, but in the same way that SDS cloned pouches TT made. They started out intending to be a cheaper massed produced version of something nicer, when they were succesful at that they branched out and started developing their own line. I think they started with airsoft but realized the potential of the Gov/LEO market that was flooded by companies like Eagle who were selling a PC for $300 that Condor could sell for $30, and the in that market, especially with LEOs, people don't really know anything about how to determine if kit is built properly and will mostly look at cost (which is reasonable when you are working on a budget).

To be honest most airsofters are far more protective of their kits than SOF are, if an airsofter can break it, expect it to last a whole week on a shooter. With all the destroyed Condor kit displayed on the internet, people should quickly realize what they are paying for.