ODA/CAG PC of choice

[JoKeR1147]

So I was looking through the Army SF kit guide but couldnt help but notice that alot of the information there is starting to get outdated. What plate carriers are ODA/CAG(ACE, SFOD, W/e) currently using? I know that some of the ones they seem to be spotted with are the Crye JPC and I still see some SFLCS kits. However does anyone know what direction SF and CAG are moving towards in terms of plate carriers and gear? I know that Seals are transitioning towards the AOR camo patterns, what about SF and CAG? Are they going to stick to multicam?

[Jerm_G]

The problem with airsoft is that airsofters do not have a ODA/CAG/SEAL/whatever budget. So affording new gear in the latest and greatest ever changing pattern is not affordable for about 98% of the community. These groups have been changing gear more often than some people on AP change their underwear. The above mentioned units are also changing AOs that have different environments, climates, terrain, and missions. For example, the equipment that ODA uses in South America for basic foreign nation military trainings is far different than what they use kicking in doors in Afghan. Same with CAG and SEALs. When these units' mission changes, (which it does often) the gear changes to meet those requirements. What ODAs wore during the invasion of Afghanistan when they were working, training and fighting alongside indigs is totally different from what they were wearing in 2007 when they spent much of their time kicking in doors like some high speed SWAT team and just as different now.

Gear patterns have done the same thing. first it was all about OD/Ranger Green. Then it was all about coyote brown, then to green again. Then to multi-cam, now AOR whatever the trend is and coyote brown/MJK again. Hell the SEALs for some reason feel that all their gear has to match every different pattern uniform they wear. Not exactly cost effective.

The current trend is light fast and just enough armor to protect the important areas. LBT 6904s, JPCs, CPCs and Mayflower rigs seem to be the current thing but there are exceptions to the rule. If you are doing an impression, my advice is to run a rig that would work for as many different impressions as possible so you just have to change BDUs to fit whatever impression you want to go with. CB/MJK would work the best. Throw on some AOR and you are a seal. Toss on some Multi-cams and now you are ODA/CAG. Throw on some woodland BDUs or MARPAT and your MARSOC. Give yourself some room to change things up
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[JoKeR1147]

Ahhh thank you Welshy, that link has 99% of the information I was looking for. I think these 2 posts nicely sum up everything I needed. Right now I'm probably gonna end up doing an SF kit, so Ill most likely pick up an MBAV in MJK off of ebay. That is a pretty safe bet for being a reliable piece of kit for a while right? Does anyone know if ODAs are transitioning away from khaki MBAVs? I have enough money to build at least 1 super solid kit, but not enough to build a kit for every season like JSOC does. I've been working for my brother for about 6 months now, and he's about to settle up with me. I'm thinking that after I've dealt with all my other expensees I'll have around ~8k in free monies to put towards whatever I want. Needless to say money really isnt an issue in building a nice kit, I just want to do a good job building an accurate impression that wont be immediately outdated.

P.S. Can anyone tell me what kind of PC is being used in the picture attached? Thanks.

[JoKeR1147]

Okay cool, thanks again Welshy. Your awesome . Im now considering picking up a MC lbt 6094 cause that kit just looks awesome.

Also, Does anyone know what kind of admin pouch he is using in the picture? It looks like a HSGI Mini Admin Pouch Modular, but the molle webbing on the front is more like a first-spear style webbing.

[Darius137]

Navy SEALs and Delta both use Multicam. They both wear it in Afghanistan, and have been ordering Crye CPC vests in it.

[Snowman]

SOHPC is an ancient rig, ACE isn't going to be using them.

[JoKeR1147]

Okay. I think I've decided on getting a Crye CPC, I'm about to order one from cryes website. ACE is gonna be using the CPC in MC for a while right?

[Snowman]

Yep, at least until Crye rolls out their new beauty. Also, if youre going to drop money on a CPC, youre really only going to get the benefit out of it if you use real plates, or at least realistically weighted fake plates.

[Jerm_G]

Also be aware that Crye is on an 8 to 16 week lead time. If that is an issue for you, then the 6094 is going to be the better route as they are available through SKD now, and several other vendors as well. Dont get me wrong, Crye is great stuff and worth the money. But LBT is too and has a true lifetime "you break it, we fix it or replace it for free" policy. Also as Snowman said, if you are not using real plates or stupid heavy fake ones in the CPC then you really wont understand why it exists or why it's realy awsome.

[frogfish]

Aren't there pictures floating around from like a year or two ago (maybe less as I remember they had SF 6354DOs) of some CAG/ACE guys doing demos in Smoke Green HPCs? Thats a pretty ancient rig.... and aren't there some of some guys in JPCs and airframes as well?


As for the CPC, I'd call Crye to make the order, they can be pretty shitty about keeping on top of online orders. Personally I didn't like my CPC, while it was comfortable, it wasn't an extra $500 more comfortable than a LBT 6094, plus the stitching on mine was pretty atrocious, not what I expected for an $800 PC, worst of all the shoulder pads we'ren't made right and they would creak with any decent amount of weight on them, Crye said that "wasn't detrimental to the performance of the PC" and I would have to pay for new pads if I wanted them. My JPC also wasn't built too tough they are single stitched at the shoulder strap joints, even the replicas are double stitched there.


While it may not be a "CAG" rig all in all my 6094 has been pretty good, I've done some mods to it that I wouldn't trust a Crye rig to hold up to (cutting hydration tube routing holes in the rear plate pocket), plus CS at LBT is phenomenal, I'd order direct as they are known to apply discounts for random reasons ("oh its monday here's 10% off, oh wait its December too here's another 10%, ect, ect.)

[Jewish Ninja]

Welshy also did a write up on the AWS 6094 clone, and it looks amazing. Roughly half the price of the LBT 6094, but still just as awesome.

Or you could go full retard and order a CAGE. But that would just be silly.

[Snowman]

CAGEs are grody, back panel sucks.

[JoKeR1147]

Damn, its a shame to here all these negative things about the CPC. I was aware of the lead time but that didnt really bother me. I guess then ill probably go with the MC 6094a; does ACE use the LBT 6094 or is it just SF? Also does anyone know how long they will be using it?

[bye]

Are CPCs replacing JPCs already? What would a MultiCam JPC cover for mil-sim kits?

[JoKeR1147]

Are CPCs replacing JPCs already? What would a MultiCam JPC cover for mil-sim kits?

I believe PJs still use them alot.