Sniperzden - BIO Ammo Part 2

[Payback]

Good, it needed to be said again by the looks of it.

[Ricochet]

I'd rather just shoot bio exclusively myself, even indoors. Arenas just throw it away.

Arena's won't use bio indoors, I don't even think their insurance allows it, because:
1. the engagement distances are too close and the bbs have a greater probability of shattering into the powder state which...
2. because of the higher risk of powder shower and the nature of indoor, that there are a lot more head shots (at least in my experience), and most of the player run with mesh that there is a much higher risk of getting your eyes powdered.

So for the safety of their customers they won't do bio indoors.

Host should also consider that if someone does in fact turn in non-bio that they may be able to take it to an indoor venue and see if they would buy it off them. Although I know that some are exclusive to one mfg of ammo and that's all they will allow in there arena. But it's a thought.

[Matt]

I wasn't aware that any arenas even allow mesh, or that insurance companies would cover arenas who do allow it. I haven't heard of an insurance company who even considers it to be acceptable safety equipment.

[Ricochet]

people don't read to clearly either...

What would be nice is if you had non bio ammo and you could trade it for a bag of bio ammo plus a few bucks.

What economic sense would this make?

I take a bag of non-bio and trade it for a bag of bio ammo plus a few bucks ($3) and then throw away the non-bio ammo.

So let's see...

non-bio ammo value = zero cuz I am going to throw it away

my bio ammo has cost value of $13.00 shipped to me, that I will accept $3 for thus losing $10.00

yeah sounds like a great deal.

or

How about we have a trash can that people throw their non-bio ammo away and just buy a bag of bio at cost $13.00

that sounds like a better idea.

I see where you guys are going with this - a discount on bio ammo for turning in non-bio would be a good incentive for people to get rid of their non-bio rounds and might help to spread awareness overall.

I understand your point Rick and I acknowledged that it impacts your "small" profit but like Matt said...it's an incentive for those who don't know for whatever reason and show up with non-bio. I highly doubt that at an event of 200 you would get more than a handful so really the hit you might take is insignificant to the overall benefit of the field and the community. In addition you could make it a one time only offer so that you mitigate the risk of a "repeat offender" taking advantage of your generosity. They show up again then take their non-bio away and charge 'em full price just like everyone else.

[Riddick]

I wasn't aware that any arenas even allow mesh, or that insurance companies would cover arenas who do allow it. I haven't heard of an insurance company who even considers it to be acceptable safety equipment.

It's not accepted Matt or at least NSERA does not allow it for indoor arenas. I called and asked them like 3 months ago when I had scouted a potential location.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

I'm gonna agree with Rick [about the not trading bio for non-bio]. It's just not economically viable.

[Riddick]

people don't read to clearly either...

What would be nice is if you had non bio ammo and you could trade it for a bag of bio ammo plus a few bucks.

What economic sense would this make?

I take a bag of non-bio and trade it for a bag of bio ammo plus a few bucks ($3) and then throw away the non-bio ammo.

So let's see...

non-bio ammo value = zero cuz I am going to throw it away

my bio ammo has cost value of $13.00 shipped to me, that I will accept $3 for thus losing $10.00

yeah sounds like a great deal.

or

How about we have a trash can that people throw their non-bio ammo away and just buy a bag of bio at cost $13.00

that sounds like a better idea.

I see where you guys are going with this - a discount on bio ammo for turning in non-bio would be a good incentive for people to get rid of their non-bio rounds and might help to spread awareness overall.

I understand your point Rick and I acknowledged that it impacts your "small" profit but like Matt said...it's an incentive for those who don't know for whatever reason and show up with non-bio. I highly doubt that at an event of 200 you would get more than a handful so really the hit you might take is insignificant to the overall benefit of the field and the community. In addition you could make it a one time only offer so that you mitigate the risk of a "repeat offender" taking advantage of your generosity. They show up again then take their non-bio away and charge 'em full price just like everyone else.

I don't think we are still on the same page or at least how I am understanding your statements. I am fine with selling it at my cost ($13.00) on special promotions. I am not okay with losing $10 because I only accepted $3 in trade since I am dealing with only my cost. Field Price on the stuff is $18 to $20, I am not concerned with the loss of profit on a special occasion deal but I am not going to take on a loss of cost on a product especially @ $10 per bag.

I had said previously that I would be willing to do a community bio ammo group purchase and offer it at my cost for those that want to take advantage of it. In fact I will post it up sometime today.

[code789]

if rick is selling those goldenball bbs at cost for the community i woulden't mind buying a few bags, those goldenball shoot amazing and they have a strict quality control that each bag has COA sticker and its own serieal number. rick is the seller he can choose whatever he wants to do with his product. its funny that there are complains when ricks lowers the price to cost and when he selles it at MAP

as for the people who bring non bios that is for "us" the community to control not rick. and rick already said that he will not provied ammo for the events that is not hosted by him unless requested.

[Ricochet]

I don't think we are still on the same page or at least how I am understanding your statements. I am fine with selling it at my cost ($13.00) on special promotions. I am not okay with losing $10 because I only accepted $3 in trade since I am dealing with only my cost. Field Price on the stuff is $18 to $20, I am not concerned with the loss of profit on a special occasion deal but I am not going to take on a loss of cost on a product especially @ $10 per bag.

I had said previously that I would be willing to do a community bio ammo group purchase and offer it at my cost for those that want to take advantage of it. In fact I will post it up sometime today.

Let's be clear...I am not setting a price nor did I mention one. I just said trade it in and pay a few bucks. The host can set the price at whatever they want. If you want to sell it at cost so at least you don't lose money that is your choice, as it is for any seller. I am in no way implying you or anyone else should take a huge hit on someone that doesn't have bio. Incentivize it for them (i.e. discount below published field/promo price) so that they will be more likely to comply with the rule rather than risk getting caught and the community losing the field.

I also am in no way complaining about the price of Rick's ammo that he sells. I buy it at whatever price he is selling it at and have never complained about the price of his or anyone else's ammo. If I think it's too expensive then I don't buy it. I am not going to complain about pricing cause it's not my business or livelihood. I was only making suggestions to get non-bio users to comply to the field rules.

[Riddick]

I don't like the price of Rick's ammo

[TheAirsoftSaint]

people don't read to clearly either...

What would be nice is if you had non bio ammo and you could trade it for a bag of bio ammo plus a few bucks.

What economic sense would this make?
I take a bag of non-bio and trade it for a bag of bio ammo plus a few bucks ($3) and then throw away the non-bio ammo.
So let's see...
non-bio ammo value = zero cuz I am going to throw it away
my bio ammo has cost value of $13.00 shipped to me, that I will accept $3 for thus losing $10.00
yeah sounds like a great deal.
or
How about we have a trash can that people throw their non-bio ammo away and just buy a bag of bio at cost $13.00
that sounds like a better idea.

I didnt mean that small of an amount. $5 to $10 would be more reasonable. The point wasn't to screw the distributor, but to help the new guys who go out and don't know. Which would seem like the best case to point out "Hey you cant use that non bio ammo here. So if you give it to me we can get you set up with a bag of bio ammo." Sorry if that was a little confusing.

[Gator]

Why dont we look down upon Non-Bio bbs? Just like most of us look down on .12g bbs. It sounds like a stupid idea but, It might just work. There are many reasons why we dont use .12g bbs. Why dont we discourage the use of Non-bios on outdoor fields as much as the use of .12g? Just an idea. Who knows.

[Rapture]

I think "Hey you can't use that crappy non-bio ammo here" is incentive enough for people to buy a bag, even if they split it, lol.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

Why dont we look down upon Non-Bio bbs? Just like most of us look down on .12g bbs. It sounds like a stupid idea but, It might just work. There are many reasons why we dont use .12g bbs. Why dont we discourage the use of Non-bios on outdoor fields as much as the use of .12g? Just an idea. Who knows.

Because .12g BBs are known to be shitty. Nothing wrong with non-bio.

[McNair]

Also, you still run into the kids using .12s.

Being a snob won't stop the kids.