Safety Kills

[McNair]

The refusing of taking a safety kill option is retarded.
Now, when I call a safety kill on you, I can't just move on to the next target, I have to wait for you to either accept or deny it.
Instead, I'm just going to shoot you right away with a single round. Problem solved.

it's the retards that will open up on you full auto at 5 ft, that's why this rule was started anyway.

[Orwell]

Then limit safety kill engagement to less than three rounds, or similar. Like Red said, the pain isn't any less at 30 ft. than at 5 ft. with today's average AEG.

Here's what I know for sure: I regularly see a lot of whiny, angry complaining about safety kills not being respected. I rarely hear complaints about people getting hurt from shots too close. This is a physical sport. Football has pads, so should we. Wear enough protective gear to suit your desire. Be responsible for yourself and stop worrying about making other people standardize archaic and over complex rules.

My $.02

[B.O.P. Hawk]

I have three gnarly scars on my arm and one on my neck from people lighting me up at close range, so I am a fan of safety kills. I do think, however, that they should be waived when two combatants come up against each other at point blank.
At my field, if something like that happens (say one person rushes a guy behind a big tree, and both have their weapons pointed toward each other) then it is the first person to call it that gets the kill. There is generally no problem with it, but occasionally someone thinks they are better than the rules...

[Orwell]

We're you wearing neck and arm protection? Even a light scarf and long sleeves?

[Jester316]

I've always viewed safety kills as optional.

You have 2 options:
1) Call yourself out
2)Get shot


If you think that you can shoot the other person before they shoot you, then take your chances. If you do, then it wasn't a true safety kill...

[Catch22]

The "optinional" rule is misunderstood... It's optional for a person to call a safety kill. It's not optional for you to accept a safety kill. If a player feels they have a reason to call one on you, you must take it as a kill. If you feel it was a bogus call, talk to a game admin.

[MitchD]

The "optinional" rule is misunderstood... It's optional for a person to call a safety kill. It's not optional for you to accept a safety kill. If a player feels they have a reason to call one on you, you must take it as a kill. If you feel it was a bogus call, talk to a game admin.

+1

Most people seem to think the "surrender" rule from paintball is what is use. It is not. This is someone being nice to you. Try not to forget that this is a game, not a sport.

[$tealth]

I was at Oregon Airsoft Arena on Friday night. I rushed a building with about 4 people in it. I shot 2 of them and called a safety kill on a third. The third refused to honor the safety kill, and proceeded to shoot me in the back 4 times after I called a safety kill on him from 1 foot away. I yelled at him and gave him a nice little bird then walked away. I get very pissed when people don't call their hits, especially little kids. And then when I accused him of not calling it after the game, he denied I even got close to him. shazaam THAT.

[Wombat Six]

Sorry, but having been the subject of exactly one safety kill, which was, in itself, not a "safety" kill given the distances involved, I'd rather you just shoot my a$$ and teach me a valuable lesson about not hosing down the scenery when I burst into a clearing.

The problem continues to center around the use of the "safety kill" to avoid wasting BBs, cover for a malfunctioning weapon, or to force a player to take a "hit" (under the strict interpretation, one can't even force the caller to prove it and must merely assume it is correct, then call themselves out, as anything else results in an argument), rather than to "avoid harm" in "dead to rights" situations. Changing the rule won't fix this.

I don't want a "surrender" rule -- I will always take the option of trying to shoot my way out of that scenario.

And for those who are like, "Talk to a game admin"...have you tried to find a game admin to resolve a shootout? It isn't a "Do I live or die?" resolution, it's a "I hope that game admin can find that player and talk to them about the rule sometime before the game ends..." resolution.

[$tealth]

Sorry, but having been the subject of exactly one safety kill, which was, in itself, not a "safety" kill given the distances involved, I'd rather you just shoot my a$$ and teach me a valuable lesson about not hosing down the scenery when I burst into a clearing.

The problem continues to center around the use of the "safety kill" to avoid wasting BBs, cover for a malfunctioning weapon, or to force a player to take a "hit" (under the strict interpretation, one can't even force the caller to prove it and must merely assume it is correct, then call themselves out, as anything else results in an argument), rather than to "avoid harm" in "dead to rights" situations. Changing the rule won't fix this.

I don't want a "surrender" rule -- I will always take the option of trying to shoot my way out of that scenario.

And for those who are like, "Talk to a game admin"...have you tried to find a game admin to resolve a shootout? It isn't a "Do I live or die?" resolution, it's a "I hope that game admin can find that player and talk to them about the rule sometime before the game ends..." resolution.

Exactly the problem, people use it as a means of conserving ammo, not a safety precaution, which is what the purpose of a safety kill is, to avoid seriously injuring the guy you just snook up on. Whenever someone says "Surrender" I just shoot them. That rule applies to paintball, not airsoft. If I call a safety kill on someone, and they don't call themselves out within 3 seconds of me yelling "Safety kill!" I shoot them.

[Vidar]

I'm still confused. Can I safety kill groups of people?

[Wombat Six]

I'm still confused. Can I safety kill groups of people?

As I've understood it, you can safety kill an individual within a group, and are free to repeat the exercise as many times as you can before someone catches on and does it to you. You cannot, however, call "safety kill" on a group once and kill everyone within the group.

Of course, all depends on the event host and the admin making the call when they're summoned.

[LiquidSnak]

You would have to individually safety kill each member of the group. The only time I have successfully done this is at a night game, and I snuck behind each person individually and safety killed them with a training knife until they caught on and safety killed me. I was actually pretty pleased with the outcome of the situation, as I could have done the same thing by railing them all with a burst, however, it was very close quarters.

Generally, it doesn't work, and will end up with you getting shot, but give it a try. Please don't try to say safety kill once and take out a group of people.

[Matt]

I'm just not seeing the problems with people abusing the safety kill to conserve ammo at the events I attend. Every time a safety kill has been called on me, I felt it was legitimate and I called myself out. Every time I have called a safety kill on another player, they have honored the hit. Perhaps the safety kill isn't working out at the big speedball "operations" but it has it's place in mil-sim. It's an optional courtesy you can extend to somebody instead of shooting them up close.

What I'm hearing is that the safety kill distance is too long. I've never felt the need to call a safety kill over a distance of 10 feet. When I do a safety kill, the other player is so shocked and surprised to hear a voice so close to them... they don't want to take their chances.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

Then limit safety kill engagement to less than three rounds, or similar. Like Red said, the pain isn't any less at 30 ft. than at 5 ft. with today's average AEG.

Any evidence of this?