Safety Kills

[McNair]

I've only called safety kills a hand full of times in the last year.
Mostly at R&R inside the "fort" as once you cut the corner in you're less than 5ft away, usually.

At Sundown, I was on the corner of the "logfort" and a guy stuck his head around the corner about 10ft away.(there is actually video of right before and after this). I said, "I'm not going to shoot you in the face this close". I suppose I should have said safety instead, silly me, I assumed the kid could accept that he was upsidedown. Instead, he backed around the corner and tossed a grenade at me. I don't know how many times I've been the guy that put his head around the corner to see a barrel a few feet away and called myself out, thankful that the other person had trigger control. I hate taking face shots at any distance. It bleeding hurts. I usually always get shot in the ear or the nose. So I try to avoid them.
However, if I have a full body shot at you and you're at 10ft or more, I will put a single round to center mass.
Due to too many kids either refusing to take safety kills at 5ft when they're dead to rights or kids that lack trigger control and just turn and unload, this is my new policy.
I know I've yelled at kids who called a safety kill on me from 20+ft away to just bleeding shoot me.
Getting shot in the body at 10ft sucks just as much at 40ft with most guns these days.

[Raging Hormann]

I've called a Safety Kill once. My buddy was at the top of a hill fort with two AEGs. I waited until he was reloading and made it up to his location.

I chose to safety kill him instead of light him up from 5 feet away.

His guns were down, I had a serious drop on him. I made the call, and he appreciated not getting blasted from 5 ft.

Twas a win win.

[Russkie]

I have yet to be safety killed in a legit way. I ignore them all together unless the person can touch me with their rifle within one step, in which case I was probably already shot by then.

If you can't take a couple of welts, airsoft isn't your gig. Go back to playing with Barbie.

Also this was a the last PF OP. A good example of a bullshit safety kill. Skip to 2:30. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRy_1uR_HXc

How was that bullshit? The guy had the drop on him, had him dead to rights, and choose to save a bb. That is the perfect example of a safety kill.

Because there is no safety issue there. If you have a clear shot at that range, take it. Taking a safety kill to save bbs is not a valid reason to safety kill.

[Diegunner]

I hate safety kills in my mind the only time you should use it is when you could literally touch him with the berral of your gun or if you sneak up behind someone. I'm not up for the 15 feet away run it to a group of people and start yelling "safety kill" that's crap and what annoys me more is when I got safety killed by a guy that turned out to have no ammo left when he yelled it. NO AMMO MEANS NO SAFETY KILL USE A KNIFE.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

After having literally half my face covered in blood (7 shots to the face and neck), I'm a fan of safety kills.

[VogonFord]

I'm a fan. I've never personally been bullshit safety killed, but I call them every now and then. About half of them are double-safety kills, and we both go on our way back to spawn. I also use "surrender or die" on occasion, but that's only if I don't know who's the other person there and I don't want to cause friendly fire. In either case, I pop completely out of cover and shout it. I also don't generally just "aim for the plate carrier" because as someone who doesn't like them very much I know that not everyone wears them. I only wear my PASGT vest every now and then, most games I just use my ALICE belt or Pattern 58. I've been shot times when I really wish someone had called safety kill, and I've shot people times when I probably should have called it as well.

While I don't think the idea of safety killing multiple people is a problem as long as you safety kill each enemy individually, I don't do that. I usually just rake them.

My FrankenAK shoots between 300 and 380 depending on how it's feeling. It's a bit like a PMSing woman that way.

[Solid]

Safety kills rarely panned out for me, usually the person just flips around and blasts me instead. Now I go for the shaming a$$ or crotch shot.

[modbus]

I saw a safety kill go very poorly once. A person with a bolt action rifle: his barrel was inches from the person he called safety kill on. The person turned around and shot him. It was sketch since the person running the bolt can't technically engage anyone at that distance but the other person really shouldn't have challenged that either (IMHO).

I believe you should definitely use safety kills, but any action/movement that doesn't look like a surrender and I would never hesitate to place one round at center mass. If they don't want to accept the courtesy you have given them and begin to engage you, they have no right to complain if you shoot them from where you stand.

[Raging Hormann]

That minimum engagement distance for bolts is there for things like that. A close range safety kill with a bolt is perfectly legitimate. And if some dude pulls his rifle on you after you basically tapped him out, he engaged you. Respond to contact.

[MitchD]

That minimum engagement distance for bolts is there for things like that. A close range safety kill with a bolt is perfectly legitimate. And if some dude pulls his rifle on you after you basically tapped him out, he engaged you. Respond to contact.

Umm no, you do not engage someone with a Bolt at close range. That is why you carry a side arm ...

[Raging Hormann]

I'm very aware of that rule. Of course you'd use a sidearm. I would suggest a sidearm that is automatic, to get the point across.

[McNair]

That minimum engagement distance for bolts is there for things like that. A close range safety kill with a bolt is perfectly legitimate. And if some dude pulls his rifle on you after you basically tapped him out, he engaged you. Respond to contact.

Umm no, you do not engage someone with a Bolt at close range. That is why you carry a side arm ...

You mean you can't call a safety kill with our bolt at 30+ feet because it's not safe to shoot them that close?

[Evil Zergling137]

That minimum engagement distance for bolts is there for things like that. A close range safety kill with a bolt is perfectly legitimate. And if some dude pulls his rifle on you after you basically tapped him out, he engaged you. Respond to contact.

Umm no, you do not engage someone with a Bolt at close range. That is why you carry a side arm ...

You mean you can't call a safety kill with our bolt at 30+ feet because it's not safe to shoot them that close?

Bolt safety kills are not legit. Bolts are so hot that it is not safe at I think the rule is 60 feet, so if one wants to get kills at a shorter range they need to do it with an alternative weapon.

bigred is completely wrong. If you engage with your bolt because someone is firing at you but you are inside the safety distance for the bolt you are to be ejected from the game. Having called safety kill before does not relieve you from the responsibility to use your weapon on a safe manor.

[Raging Hormann]

bigred is completely wrong. If you engage with your bolt because someone is firing at you but you are inside the safety distance for the bolt you are to be ejected from the game. Having called safety kill before does not relieve you from the responsibility to use your weapon on a safe manor.

I said to use a sidearm. MitchD thought that I meant with the bolt so I clarified in the next post. Apologies that it looks like I meant take him out from 5 feet with a 550 FPS bolt. Not what I meant. Shall I edit my previous post?

Also, I believe that if someone walks in front of you at 5 feet and you have a bolt, you are indeed entitled to that safety kill because there is no way to safely fire upon that person. Hence a safety kill.

Or have we disregarded honor and safety to the point where if someone has you square in their sights (Close distance, drop on you, etc.) and calls safety kill out of their own concern for your comfort or safety, you should turn on them, deny their legitimate kill, and fire?

Bolt safety kills are a must, should you choose to take out the target that is close. Granted, you only get one, but if one should choose to take it and you are dead in their sights, I see no reason why the kill should not be honored.

This is an HONOR sport, people. Either that or no safety kills at all and everyone must retreat to minimum engagement distances to continue battle.

[Darius137]

If you saw down your bolt to under 1.5 feet and it still shoots over 400fps, then you can only use it as a safety kill weapon if you're in a building and it's painted urban camo.