Sniperzden FIELD AMMO ONLY

[Osprey]

I haven't paid for ammo in years. Now I have to buy it when I don't even need it. *shrug*

What to you mean you haven't paid for ammo. Tell me more.

[Wombat Six]

Okay, I want to make sure I accurately understand the NEW policy for Sniperzden:

"You must buy your ammo from the host at the game or provide to them evidence that your ammo is biodegradeable, namely in the form of a new tamper-proof sealed bag every time you attend a game."

If there is any caveat to either of those conditions, then I'm not exactly sure what this accomplishes.

Since I'm just now burning through the last of a stock of 35,000 rounds purchased three years ago, it's time to go buy a new sealed bag anyway.

That being said, I rapidly envision myself owning 10+ partially used bags and not being able to use any of them because they've all been opened. I'm not a high volume shooter, especially if I'm running a bolt-action platform.

We are still working out all the details.

It could be very cut and dry and be a new bag every time and it must be the field ammo.

However because I support you guys to the best of my ability, I in turn try my best with the owners to come up with some sort of leniency for us so you are put in the best possible situation. While I host there alot, this just doesn't affect me, it effects all the other hosts that host there as well.

There is not a perfect system to this. I don't believe it exists. But I have a few ideas I can implement with their approval that I think will appease a majority of ya.

Okay, I'm gonna keep my trap shut until the policy is finalized, because debating a draft policy doesn't get us anywhere productive. That being said, I'm fine with the rule as I stated it (ammo purchased at the game or sealed bags acceptable to the host), but we start talking "only ammo sold at the event", then I may have to rethink my engagement in the hobby, especially as I don't think many hosts are going to be stocking sub-1K bags of 0.36g and similar weights.

EDIT: Given my volume of play, the only way I can practically obey this policy is if I can buy ammo in 1K lots (or smaller if I'm running a bolt-action rifle). I'm not going to buy a 4K-5K bag and hope I use it all by the end of the day. I simply don't do that much shooting.

[Jester316]

Why the inclusion for bolt actions? Unless you can find biodegradable ammo in the heavy weights (.36, .40, .43) you'll be limiting their play. My bolt does not play well with anything under .40, and as such I don't use anything under .40 in it. However in an entire day of shooting, I shoot less then 100 rounds. Is this really an issue? I understand the "keep it all the same" mentality, however when less then 1% of all the rounds being fired, it seems rediculous.

Lets take OP Sundown:

150ish total players
4000rds fired per player (and this is a very VERY conservative estimate)
100rds fired total per bolt action
20 bolt actions on the field (unknown exact number, but I doubt it was more)

4000*150=520000
100*20=2000
2000/600000= 0.0033
0.003*100= .3%

.3% of all the rounds fired at Op Sundown were from a bolt action. Given this, combined with the lack of availability for heavy sniper rounds, can we agree that bolt actions need not abide by the bio ammo only policy?

[Riddick]

There is a .36 bio round available. I'm sure sniper rifles could be the exception if we asked.

[ScaredShooter]

150ish total players
4000rds fired per player (and this is a very VERY conservative estimate)

Totally off topic, but I suspect you're right and likewise holy poo most airsofters shoot so much!

When using a regular AEG (not my SAW) I rarely ever exceed 1000 rounds in a game.

[DJ]

A bit more info re sniperzden. A few months ago, the owner of this property was seriously considering banning airsoft from this field due to boorish behavior at one of the events. Rick and some others went out and did some kiss and make up work to smooth things out. If you push this guy ( a paint ball enthusiast by the way) he will say to hell with airsoft in general. He has plenty of business from the paintball crowd, particularly since the closure of warpaint. Mind your manners, police the tards/turds and follow the rules set by the property owner. It would be a major loss to loose this place.

[MillerSA15]

Why the inclusion for bolt actions? Unless you can find biodegradable ammo in the heavy weights (.36, .40, .43) you'll be limiting their play. My bolt does not play well with anything under .40, and as such I don't use anything under .40 in it. However in an entire day of shooting, I shoot less then 100 rounds. Is this really an issue? I understand the "keep it all the same" mentality, however when less then 1% of all the rounds being fired, it seems rediculous.

Lets take OP Sundown:

150ish total players
4000rds fired per player (and this is a very VERY conservative estimate)
100rds fired total per bolt action
20 bolt actions on the field (unknown exact number, but I doubt it was more)

4000*150=520000
100*20=2000
2000/600000= 0.0033
0.003*100= .3%

.3% of all the rounds fired at Op Sundown were from a bolt action. Given this, combined with the lack of availability for heavy sniper rounds, can we agree that bolt actions need not abide by the bio ammo only policy?

As DJ said, the issue isn't so much how many rounds are out there, it is the fact they are out there at all. That is assuming the reason behind the new draft is because of the potential for new legislation on the food safety of the hazelnuts. If that isn't the case the non-bio sniper rifle ammo shouldn't be a problem.

Rick, couldn't you make bags of bio ammo tamper evident by placing one of your ammo stickers over the opening? You could simply package ammo into smaller bags, with narrow openings, then seal them with a sticker or two, and you would have a tamper evident seal, in ammo quantities low enough to appease the snipers and light ammo users.

Or something else. There MUST be a cheap way to get tamper evident sealing bags, although you might need to heat seal them at home.

[Riddick]

I have a few ideas but to make sure I don't put the cart before the horse, I will make sure my ideas are very thought out before I announce it.

[TstclrCncr]

Could always order evidence bags. If not could get evidence tape to put on the opening of bags. It could be an easier way to replace a tamper seal that's a little more cost effective.

[Pork]

Just think of it this way, there's bound to be someone needing to buy your bag of bb's because they accidentally spilled their's. And even if you dont need your bb's, you still have a reserve of them for another field.

Then later on, at another field, you could sell your used/unused bag to someone needing it more than you will.

As DJ said, the issue isn't so much how many rounds are out there, it is the fact they are out there at all. That is assuming the reason behind the new draft is because of the potential for new legislation on the food safety of the hazelnuts. If that isn't the case the non-bio sniper rifle ammo shouldn't be a problem.

Rick, couldn't you make bags of bio ammo tamper evident by placing one of your ammo stickers over the opening? You could simply package ammo into smaller bags, with narrow openings, then seal them with a sticker or two, and you would have a tamper evident seal, in ammo quantities low enough to appease the snipers and light ammo users.

Or something else. There MUST be a cheap way to get tamper evident sealing bags, although you might need to heat seal them at home.

SAVE THE HAZELNUTS, BUY BIO AMMO!

[pulsipher]

Smaller increments of BBs please

[Matt]

I haven't paid for ammo in years. Now I have to buy it when I don't even need it. *shrug*

What to you mean you haven't paid for ammo. Tell me more.

I steal it from people. No, but seriously though I get a lot of BBs from different sponsors for APST. It's kind of a bummer that we can't use it at the den. I just handed out a bunch of fresh bags of bio to all the team members.

[dos_Santos]

I haven't paid for ammo in years. Now I have to buy it when I don't even need it. *shrug*

What to you mean you haven't paid for ammo. Tell me more.

I steal it from people. No, but seriously though I get a lot of BBs from different sponsors for APST. It's kind of a bummer that we can't use it at the den. I just handed out a bunch of fresh bags of bio to all the team members.

Dang, I was going to join APST, now it's not so attractive...

[Pork]

Dang, I was going to join APST, now it's not so attractive...

Ill take your place. Just saying.

[Matt]

Don't you SOTA guys get free stuff?

But speaking of that... Rick, if I got a sponsor to agree to give me a bag for every player for a major event - would the field allow me to use those, assuming they are biodegradable? That might be one way to pass some savings on to the players.