Airsoft League New Tournament Format

[CommieHunter]

Highly doubtful this would work here.

I mean, as soon as you start scoring quantitatively, it puts everyone on even footings. And then you can prove who is faster / more accurate. And nobody likes coming in second place.

I'd love to be wrong. But as someone who tried putting one of these courses together a while back, my belief is that the market simply isn't there.

Nobody wants science. They want subjective scoring by admins with clipboards and a predetermined "best" way to win, and actors, and enough sloppiness in the controls to give them room to wriggle out from not winning. They don't want times, and numbers, and replicated consistancy from team to team.

What you (and Joe) are saying is that no-one could beat you, so they wouldn't like it. Honestly, there are a lot of people that would like to run these, and either A) show you that they're better than you think, or B), get better as they practice.

Just because people may not place 1st doesn't mean they won't enjoy it, and enjoy bringing their own best times down. Additionally, there are a lot of people I talk to that aren't necessarily interested in bigger games or even in shooting people at all, but would be interested in target shooting style events. You might get people coming to this style of even that you'd never see at a big game.

[KA-BAR]

i tried to set up a series of events in the theme of top shot.....no one was interested.


so , people like to say they are interested, and get a post count....but when it comes to committing you can count out about 80% of the "for sure ill show" and the "+1's".


so yea.

[wake.joe]

Highly doubtful this would work here.

I mean, as soon as you start scoring quantitatively, it puts everyone on even footings. And then you can prove who is faster / more accurate. And nobody likes coming in second place.

I'd love to be wrong. But as someone who tried putting one of these courses together a while back, my belief is that the market simply isn't there.

Nobody wants science. They want subjective scoring by admins with clipboards and a predetermined "best" way to win, and actors, and enough sloppiness in the controls to give them room to wriggle out from not winning. They don't want times, and numbers, and replicated consistancy from team to team.

What you (and Joe) are saying is that no-one could beat you, so they wouldn't like it. Honestly, there are a lot of people that would like to run these, and either A) show you that they're better than you think, or B), get better as they practice.

Just because people may not place 1st doesn't mean they won't enjoy it, and enjoy bringing their own best times down. Additionally, there are a lot of people I talk to that aren't necessarily interested in bigger games or even in shooting people at all, but would be interested in target shooting style events. You might get people coming to this style of even that you'd never see at a big game.

No, I'm not saying no one could "beat" me. I'm saying the paying majority on AP puts a LOT of effort into gear and bad attitude to be cooler than the other guy. It's all for nothing when everyone finds out you can't shoot and you're out of shape.

[CommieHunter]

Airsoft Pacific has too many tactical tools who don't want to be shown how much they suck. Or don't want everyone else to see how much they suck.

So advertise it at Airsoft Outlet NW, Oregon Airsoft Arena, as well as on AP. You'll reach outside the AP crowd, guaranteed.

i tried to set up a series of events in the theme of top shot.....no one was interested.

There's a little bit of a difference between an action style IPSC / Carbine shoot and a sniper rifle competition. Perhaps I didn't read closely enough in the thread you posted, but it seemed like it was much more of a precision marksman competition.

[Steve]

Highly doubtful this would work here.

I mean, as soon as you start scoring quantitatively, it puts everyone on even footings. And then you can prove who is faster / more accurate. And nobody likes coming in second place.

I'd love to be wrong. But as someone who tried putting one of these courses together a while back, my belief is that the market simply isn't there.

Nobody wants science. They want subjective scoring by admins with clipboards and a predetermined "best" way to win, and actors, and enough sloppiness in the controls to give them room to wriggle out from not winning. They don't want times, and numbers, and replicated consistancy from team to team.

What you (and Joe) are saying is that no-one could beat you, so they wouldn't like it. Honestly, there are a lot of people that would like to run these, and either A) show you that they're better than you think, or B), get better as they practice.

Just because people may not place 1st doesn't mean they won't enjoy it, and enjoy bringing their own best times down. Additionally, there are a lot of people I talk to that aren't necessarily interested in bigger games or even in shooting people at all, but would be interested in target shooting style events. You might get people coming to this style of even that you'd never see at a big game.

Nope. Sorry. I think you have me confused with someone else.

What I'm saying is, $1500 into buildings and props later, and the event didn't draw enough interest to cover the field fee, let alone pay back the initial investment.

Yes, part of this was related to the choice of the event promoter. But the rest of it was disinterest in the community. A couple of us tried to host an event like this. It failed. Because of the experience in setting one up, I highly doubt that the community is interested in actually ponying up the cash to make it successful.

If someone wants to put one together and has questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them. But I highly doubt that the community would show up to support it.

[McNair]

If there's apparently so many people interested in this type of event, why don't they get together and put one on rather than complaining that someone else should(likely someone who has no interest in it). This seems to be a large problem with the community. Also the complaints that the games put on are the same as all others but yet when new innovative games are hosted no one shows any interest(as Morgan mentioned) or shows up if the game is actually happens.

You want to see it happen? Make it happen.

[Matt]

Don't confuse lack of reputation for lack of interest, fellas.

[CommieHunter]

If there's apparently so many people interested in this type of event, why don't they get together and put one on rather than complaining that someone else should(likely someone who has no interest in it). This seems to be a large problem with the community. Also the complaints that the games put on are the same as all others but yet when new innovative games are hosted no one shows any interest(as Morgan mentioned) or shows up if the game is actually happens.

You want to see it happen? Make it happen.

And he cuts to the quick. I'll work on it.

[McNair]

[Beran]

adam, if you come up with something id like definitely give it a shot (lol) if i can find the time.

[CommieHunter]

adam, if you come up with something id like definitely give it a shot (lol) if i can find the time.

Furiously filling up lined paper now.

[Skunk Ape]

im always down for what ever buddy id do it so would my crew! if you stick to adults, cheating would decrease and i would have no problem "taking care" of the douche bags who do cheat.

[Skunk Ape]

im sure the Forgotten sons could come up with a couple of bucks if Adam was running it.

[Seagreen]

It'd be interesting to participate in something like this. It has merit, therefore, the only thing that needs to be set up is venue. The course would create itself without much effort other than getting targetry and a timer.

[Ash]

adam, if you come up with something id like definitely give it a shot (lol) if i can find the time.

Furiously filling up lined paper now.

You know you have mine is the rest of SOTA's support. I would love to see somthing like this get off the ground.