Event Registration / Player Accountability

[The Giggler]

To those who didn't catch it, I was being sarcastic. Lots of people were complaining about how only letting teams at games is unfair when nobody brought it up. Not one person (other than myself sarcastically) express a pro-team only stance.

I'm sorry for taking it seriously, but in text you cannot show sarcasm(or at least it is very hard

[Limpy]

To those who didn't catch it, I was being sarcastic. Lots of people were complaining about how only letting teams at games is unfair when nobody brought it up. Not one person (other than myself sarcastically) express a pro-team only stance.

I'm sorry for taking it seriously, but in text you cannot show sarcasm(or at least it is very hard

Ivan is never serious.

Ever.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

Ivan is never serious.

Ever.

This is truth.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

This is also true.

[Matt]

My $.02:

I am not even a little bit interested in a governing body. Been there, done that at least twice. Both had stellar results. I won't be attending "league" games. I won't be carrying a f***ing stupid ID card. I won't be pushing the idea of joining this spin-cycle of a cluster-f**k idea to customers.

Now to fend off those who would marginalize my position on this: Everyone knows I am an asshole. Everyone knows I am not a good human being. Everyone knows I stabbed a guy once. Everyone knows that I don't really care what someone elses position is if it is not in keeping with my own. So go ahead and get your electric tears all over the boards telling everyone why they should disagree with me.

Further, this is MY opinion, and not APST's. I'm actually in conflict with members of my team on this... so yeah I won't be attending "league" invite only games which include my own team.

f***ing Drama. Can't we just shoot at each other or Gods sake?

Yeah. If you were active, this might actually matter.

[Darius137]

I like the idea of a league of teams because of competition and ease of organization.

I think I like the idea of a league so teams can fight against--and with each other and the variables are not present you have with day players and individuals. There are good individuals that are not on teams, yes, but what makes a person not join a team (to me) is either a lack of willingness to follow orders/be within a hierarchy of command, or the lack of time committment.

What has worked with PLA / CAG / WTF so far is getting a few squads of active players who decide policy and train regularly, then a large group of people who like the group, but don't have the time or patience to be on a real "team" within the group, but have what it takes to be a part of the group (fun to be around, honoring their hits, able to follow orders and willing to train or show up and go with the flow). When we do monthly outings, we use the individuals to fill slots within squads or act as OPFOR.

These people are put on a non-active (not on a set squad/team) list and show up when they can.

I think for a league like this to work,you need a governing body to run that league. For us, what has worked was to take each squad leader within the group and had them sit at the table. Then these squad leaders decide who is the CO and XO for a given amount of time (6-12 months seems to work well).

Also, those that have experience can sit at the table for suggested input, but since the body runs the group, and the group is a collection of teams (or squads), the decisions are all made by the council of squad leaders only.

[Bircher]

I'm for banning everyone whose not on a team. They are the problem players. With a team I can easily identify which team they are a part of and can bring up any problems with their CO. If they're not part of a team, I have no one to complain to when I empty a mag at them and they don't call hit.

well thats bad, becuase im not a team, i left my last team because they seemed to goof around to much, so your implying im not allowed to play until i find a team? l

[Shiloh]

Read his next post.

[Low recoil]

The first thing that attracted me to this sport was the ability to just get together with some dudes and plastic down range. After playing in my backyard for 3 yrs I joined this fourms and went games at PDX and S4 in Hillsboro. This website has always served as a ladder for what level of airsoft you want to climb to, meaning that if you get a kick out of watching the fourms and going to a game every now and then that was great. I've had my fair share of bad experiences but i always counted them as the price of war. Yeah there's always gonna be a guy who tries to ruin the game but do we really need to fundamentally change the way the game is played in the north west. If we want our sport and the industry to grow we need to remain open to newcomers and not force them into a situation where they have to be part of a team or post daily. The simplicity of this sport is its greatest asset and has let me introduce countless new people to it. Just keep the honesty high and double the admins at games and stop whining that you werent invited to a team only game. Who cares if two teams do battle without the whole freaking world knowing. I just want to come to a group game and hurl some plastic downrange once or twice a year. If I want to get more milsim than that I will join a team.

[Darius137]

The first thing that attracted me to this sport was the ability to just get together with some dudes and plastic down range. After playing in my backyard for 3 yrs I joined this fourms and went games at PDX and S4 in Hillsboro. This website has always served as a ladder for what level of airsoft you want to climb to, meaning that if you get a kick out of watching the fourms and going to a game every now and then that was great. I've had my fair share of bad experiences but i always counted them as the price of war. Yeah there's always gonna be a guy who tries to ruin the game but do we really need to fundamentally change the way the game is played in the north west. If we want our sport and the industry to grow we need to remain open to newcomers and not force them into a situation where they have to be part of a team or post daily. The simplicity of this sport is its greatest asset and has let me introduce countless new people to it. Just keep the honesty high and double the admins at games and stop whining that you werent invited to a team only game. Who cares if two teams do battle without the whole freaking world knowing. I just want to come to a group game and hurl some plastic downrange once or twice a year. If I want to get more milsim than that I will join a team.

This will not affect you in any way, then.

This does not mean normal skirmishes are going to end. This does not mean that you have to join a team to come play airsoft every weekend of the month.

It just means that for one event out of ten you will not be invited.

[Payback]

This will not affect you in any way, then.

This does not mean normal skirmishes are going to end. This does not mean that you have to join a team to come play airsoft every weekend of the month.

It just means that for one event out of ten you will not be invited.

I'm glad this has been cleared up, makes me feel better

Would be nice if somehow the team events had a recruit day or something. So that solo players could come, be evaluated, then have the option of being "vouched" for on future events. Because of my location, work, ect... joining a team here and being involved is not really an option for me.

[Nocte]

Would be nice if somehow the team events had a recruit day or something. So that solo players could come, be evaluated, then have the option of being "vouched" for on future events.

That's what non-invitational games are for.

[Steve]

I'm glad this has been cleared up, makes me feel better

Would be nice if somehow the team events had a recruit day or something. So that solo players could come, be evaluated, then have the option of being "vouched" for on future events. Because of my location, work, ect... joining a team here and being involved is not really an option for me.

This is only half the battle, though. To truly close the loop, solo players need a way to evaluate the teams they are thinking of joining.

I'd like to see events where new players and existing teams are put together somehow. Basically, where ad hoc teams of new or unaffiliated players go up against and / or work with a series of teams that are recruiting new members. The teams that are recruiting get the opportunity to evaluate new recruits. And solo players get the opportunity to evaluate the teams they are considering joining BEFORE they sign up. I mean, signing up with a team is not exactly a decision to be made lightly, just as deciding to accept a new recruit is not something to be done on a whim by a team leader.

Heck, if someone wanted to set up something like this, I'd be willing to volunteer to help out with it.

[Jester316]

Steve, most teams will be happy to have people interested run with them. PSC has a standing policy that if anyone is interested in joining us, and meets our criteria, they can run with us at games to see if they like how we operate, and to see if we like them.

[Nocte]

I'd like to see events where new players and existing teams are put together somehow. Basically, where ad hoc teams of new or unaffiliated players go up against and / or work with a series of teams that are recruiting new members.

Isn't that what happens at every skirmish? Does everything have to be an 'event' with a written-out purpose?

What you're suggesting sounds like OP: Let's Wear Boots.