King 5 article on Airsoft and the ATF - not full of win.

[Claymore]

http://www.king5.com/news/investigators/Government-Documents-Declare-Popular-Toy-a-firearm-115198119.html

If this was posted before apologies.

[Archangel 06]

Wow King 5 is just a little behind schedule on this story....I think this first came out almost a year ago...

[CommieHunter]

It was posted before, but that article is new. King 5 is re-running it to stir up crap. They also don't have all the facts on the resolution to the story.

[Jester316]

They also neglect to reference one of the biggest parts of this, GBBR vs AEG.

[Switchback]

They also neglect to reference one of the biggest parts of this, GBBR vs AEG.

Also the fact that the replicas in question cannot be modified to fire real rounds; even if you could get the internals of a real AR-15 to fit into an airsoft body, it would most likely fall apart after one or two rounds (that would fire out of the non-rifled barrel). You would have to spend more money on parts for the modification than you would need to buy an illegal rifle.

[Riddick]

I still smile and shake my head everytime I see articles surrounding that incident. A little more serious attention paid to the warnings based on fact that were given to AONW before the incident ever happened, could have saved them alot of trouble and money.

But then again $10,000 can't buy you the amount of advertising for their business that was achieved out of the whole fiasco.

However the situation was unfortunate but avoidable

Why not send one to myth busters? I'm sure this could be a interesting show for it's viewers if they would take on the assignment.

[Jerm_G]

Sadly after reading the comments, no one has piped up that his is a year old story and the import of these was stopped a year ago. I have no intention of going to jail to test this but down at S4 (when it was still around) we did take measurements and did find that the pin placement was correct for a full auto trigger pack to be installed. Im not sure how much abuse the lowers could take but judging by the metal, not much. Im also have not heard of a single case where someone has been convicted of using a modified WE in a crime. IMO this issue being brought up again is #@*#ing retarded!

[civilizer]

well the problem is that it can be modified into a weapon.
but im pretty sure there are lots of ways to modify every day items into weapons or a contraption to hit the primer? on a bullet

[Jester316]

When the ATF says "it can be easily modified to fire live ammunition..."

They mean "It can fire live rounds after you replace the upper receiver with a real AR-15 upper, replace the lower receiver with a real lower, replace the trigger mechanism with a real one, use real ammunition, and live targets."

[ogrejager]

well the problem is that it can be modified into a weapon.
but im pretty sure there are lots of ways to modify every day items into weapons or a contraption to hit the primer? on a bullet

Hush. First, learn to use the caps key. Second, obviously, yes--anything can be modified into a weapon. I bet Seagreen and KA-BAR both could modify a piece of string and some duct tape into a weapon. Hell, even my laptop is easily modified into a weapon (when I hit someone with it over the head).

Seriously, think before you post and then USE THIS KEY.

[civilizer]

well the problem is that it can be modified into a weapon.
but im pretty sure there are lots of ways to modify every day items into weapons or a contraption to hit the primer? on a bullet

Hush. First, learn to use the caps key. Second, obviously, yes--anything can be modified into a weapon. I bet Seagreen and KA-BAR both could modify a piece of string and some duct tape into a weapon. Hell, even my laptop is easily modified into a weapon (when I hit someone with it over the head).

Seriously, think before you post and then USE THIS KEY.

Well, that was my point exactly. If you put enough effort almost anything can be turned into a weapon. I believe you mean shift key? Yes?

[Paladin101]

They also neglect to reference one of the biggest parts of this, GBBR vs AEG.

Also the fact that the replicas in question cannot be modified to fire real rounds; even if you could get the internals of a real AR-15 to fit into an airsoft body, it would most likely fall apart after one or two rounds (that would fire out of the non-rifled barrel). You would have to spend more money on parts for the modification than you would need to buy an illegal rifle.

The BATFE supposedly modified a GBBR to fire live ammunition, but these tests haven't been made public, so we don't know exactly how many rounds were fired, and (IIRC) according to the BATFE, the moment a gun fires 2 rounds with one trigger pull, it's a "machine gun" (oh noes!).

Actually it's considered a "machine gun" by the legal definition if it's semi-automatic or automatic, doesn't have to fire two rounds, it has to be ABLE to fire two rounds without manually reloading.
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The Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) at 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(23), and the National Firearms Act (NFA) at 26 U.S.C. 5845(b), define the term “machinegun” as “any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.
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So if you can shoot, the weapon fires, reloads, recocks, and is able to fire again without doing anything but pulling the trigger you have a Machine Gun.

[Hype]

I still smile and shake my head everytime I see articles surrounding that incident. A little more serious attention paid to the warnings based on fact that were given to AONW before the incident ever happened, could have saved them alot of trouble and money.

But then again $10,000 can't buy you the amount of advertising for their business that was achieved out of the whole fiasco.

However the situation was unfortunate but avoidable

Why not send one to myth busters? I'm sure this could be a interesting show for it's viewers if they would take on the assignment.

Dude they would be ALL over that. If like two thousand of us submit it I bet they'd do it.

[Switchback]

I believe this might be of some interest.

http://community.discovery.com/eve/foru ... 9619587101

[God]

Lol, if it's pink,. or clear.. So, if I paint a AR 15 pink? I can legally own it as a toy? I don't think I can ever go to that store without calling the owner(whoever was talking) a "bleeding idiot". I want to see proof of an AGM or WA M4 COMPLETE lower receiver firing live rounds with a real upper. Even a 75% lower'd be good enough.