SB 798 passed a 2nd time (Ayes 21, Noes 16)

[Payback]

What i am suprised at is that the distributors and manufacturers have not been paying a lobbyist to get in there and plant our voices into their heads. They have more to lose than we do.

Be ready for orange and green guns. Myself I would prefer clear. Worst case we just spray paint our guns black.

I fully expect to see airsoft prices increase for the pre-bill models.

I saw that the NRA has gotten involved. I'm not sure to what extent, but they should have the money and lobbyist's to pay off the right people. errr, i mean influence.

[Riddick]

I'm just waiting for someone to shoot a cop with a green firearm. Or for another kid to get shot even though he has an orange AEG.

It will happen.

Also, where does AONW get their inventory from? California or a port in Oregon/Washington?

majority of it is from California like everyone else in the industry

[Jose]

Thats why I'll keep mine and buy just internals, just in case.

[Mcluvin]

I still don't get why this passed. Sure airsoft guns look real, but that's the entire point of Mil-sim. Cops will now let down there guard when some guy is walking around with an orange gun. Anybody can easily deceive the police by painting a real firearm either orange, yellow, etc. What airsoft retail stores should do, is charge slightly more, and sell the bright colored gun with normal black, brown, and OD colored externals to swap out with the orange externals. This whole thing is ridiculous. It would cause less of an injury/ death toll, if officers were aware of realistic airsoft guns, rather than not worrying about orange guns that are real because of criminal deception, and then having a cop get shot. This is madness. All of the AP community should move to an island with no laws against airsoft.

That is my 2 cents.

[Switchback]

All of the AP community should move to an island with no laws against airsoft.

You really wanna be trapped on an island with these guys? Talk about a sausage fest...
We already have an island where we send all the bad people; we're gonna run out of islands.

[Jester316]

I still don't get why this passed. Sure airsoft guns look real, but that's the entire point of Mil-sim. Cops will now let down there guard when some guy is walking around with an orange gun. Anybody can easily deceive the police by painting a real firearm either orange, yellow, etc. What airsoft retail stores should do, is charge slightly more, and sell the bright colored gun with normal black, brown, and OD colored externals to swap out with the orange externals. This whole thing is ridiculous. It would cause less of an injury/ death toll, if officers were aware of realistic airsoft guns, rather than not worrying about orange guns that are real because of criminal deception, and then having a cop get shot. This is madness. All of the AP community should move to an island with no laws against airsoft.

That is my 2 cents.

The bolded statement is wrong. Cops will be even more vigilent when dealing with anything that is even shaped like a firearm. Bright colors don't mean jack shit.

I give you proof that there are bright colored functional weapons:

[Patrick750]

I'm still unclear as to wether or not it is illegal to paint your guns back to black. A spray painted black gun will never look as good as a stock black gun.

[KA-BAR]

nah, noone would ever paint a real gun bright colors...

[Batsy39]

Man If only those images and videos could be brought to the attention of everyone. I have a feeling if this passes it will stay in California as OR and WA are nowhere near in agreeance with CA as far as guns laws so maybe that will carry over into Airsoft as well??

[CADPAT]

I have a feeling if this passes it will stay in California as OR and WA are nowhere near in agreeance with CA as far as guns laws so maybe that will carry over into Airsoft as well??

You know a lot of Canadians said the same thing right befor we got f**ked-over on Bill C-68 by Jean Chrétiens Liberal Gov(1993-2003) back in 1995 on gun and replica firearm(Airsoft) laws... FIGHT SB 798!!!

P.S. I mean no disrespect, Oh and Liberal in canada is not like Liberal in the U.S.A.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_Act,_1995

[Batsy39]

No disrespect taken! Oh man that sucks. The article isn't super specific what exactly happened in terms of limits? what sorts of things were confined to ranges? Were air guns part of this?

This is totally off topic: CADPAT, I was wondering and I'm sorry if this offends but is Canuck considered pretty derogatory in Canada? I've heard differing things

[lilwil]

I'm just waiting for someone to shoot a cop with a green firearm. Or for another kid to get shot even though he has an orange AEG.

This happens all the time. When I lived in Turlock our neighbors grew weed and dealt in narcotics and there was always someone on the front porch with a bright orange ak. We all thought it was a toy until the assyrians raided the place. You need not wait for something that already happens on a regular baises. Which is why I do not understand this law, it does nothing to ensure anyone's safety, except criminals.

[BlacksunshineGAAS]

Is this really as huge of a deal as you guys are making it out to be?

Reality is it is not. UK has these same restrictions on their guns that they buy and airsoft is still going strong there. So altho it will suck for the kid that wants to get all GIjoe'ed up and not be reminded that the gun he is holding is actually a toy. For those of us that could care less and just want to play, we will continue to do so. We will realize that its not that big of a deal and adapt. There are Camo wraps,Veils, Paint and all other number of options. Not to mention You buy a gun with a plastic crap casing It will cost you less. Then you will have the slew of aftermarket externals that are not effected by this law that you can swap in. Because they are not implementing any kind of registration along with this law (something that actually would be a beneficial option) there is no way they could say for sure that you are not grandfathered.
But yeah. If the MFG's gave a crap about their revenue there would be more then just Cybergun and a couple stores making this push.

[CADPAT]

No disrespect taken! Oh man that sucks. The article isn't super specific what exactly happened in terms of limits? what sorts of things were confined to ranges? Were air guns part of this?

This is totally off topic: CADPAT, I was wondering and I'm sorry if this offends but is Canuck considered pretty derogatory in Canada? I've heard differing things

Okay so in Canada Airsoft guns are replica firearm so C-68 made them "illegal to import" but not illegal to import, They are in this (Not) so nice little gray zone. So it made them very difficult to get into Canada.

http://stason.org/TULARC/society/guns-canadian/16-What-is-Bill-C-68.html
And if you like to be confused
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-11.6/

Some people find it derogatory, Some don't. It depends on the person, I for one don't find it derogatory but I know some of my friends back home do.

[BlacksunshineGAAS]

CadPat, Not really a grey area. So long as the gun you are importing is above 407FPS it is considered an "Airgun" and is not subject to the clearcase restriction. Evike has a service that they include a chronoing of the gun and a letter outlining the Canadian law that states this.