Senate bill passed to make airsoft gun look more like toys

[lilwil]

Name one animal without a tendancy to harm its own. thousands of years? no, it wasnt that long ago christians were sacrificing humans.

[Mini-Marine]

Let's see, animals that act cooperatively and work together, wolves, dolphins, plenty of pack animals. Are there animals that do hurt or even kill their own? Yes of course, but there are also plenty that function tribally, work together for a common cause and protect each other.

And while yes, there have been plenty of cultures that practice human sacrifice, it was never, hey killing is just fine, kill whoever the shazaam you want, they did it as a sacrifice to their god(s) in what they believed to be the greater good.

And as far as I'm aware, Christianity has never practiced human sacrifice.

Valuing the lives of fellow human beings is an evolved trait not a purely societal one.

[FishSlapRepublic]

"By that logic i could sneeze, causing a chain reaction, and cause tsunamis in japan. So therefore, sneezing should be illegal."

No. Just no. At this point I question you know the meaning of logic.

A human slingshotting through a window and impaling someone else does not cross you as seriously stupid?

Not so much impaling but people without seat-belts can and have been thrown from there seat causing more hard to themselves and others in the process. Educate yourself with a google search and then can it.

Name one animal without a tendancy to harm its own. thousands of years? no, it wasnt that long ago christians were sacrificing humans.

Manatees for one. They do "fight" But that just pushing each other and no one gets hurt. There are countless others.



At this point I am under the impression you are just trolling. Further troll post will as such be ignored.
If you are not trying to troll please read up on all of the subjects involved and then read over each post as well as the subject you are referencing before submitting.

Good day.

[lilwil]

jews, w/e. its all the same tree. Manatees kill each other. wolves kill each other for mates. dolphins are an extremely violent species. Most pack animals revolve around an alpha male, who kills any beast who challenges him. Am I the only one here that watches the discovery channel?

[FishSlapRepublic]

Now back to the topic.

I think all of you cali people need to try to fight this crap. You don't need to get out on the streets and protest but you can voice your opinions and if you get enough people doing the same thing they might be able to change things. These kind of people like to be on the public's good side for re-elections.

[KA-BAR]

And as far as I'm aware, Christianity has never practiced human sacrifice.

mini marine...if you are going to get into religion, you must dig very deep to find it, but it is there...

in the temple mount, those that wished to worship must take thier money or currency to the money changer to get the correct currency, to purchace a sacrafice. wether it be a dove a goat or what ever....you must have a sacrafice to be offered inorder for the prayers to god to be heard.

on jesus last passover in jeruselem, he caused a riot by over turning the money changers tables, for defrauding the people and making profit of thier faith in god. this angered jesus and he chased them from the temple mount. this is what got jesus arested.


also god told abraham, bring me your son....

jesus sacrafice his body for your souls....





so mini marine....wanna talk about christianity and human sacrafice summore?





/OWNAGE!

[Mongrol]

True story... if killing someone is going to bother you, do not be a cop, security guard, in the military, a doctor, et cetera. It is his fault for letting this affect him adversely. The reason it is sticking with him is because he believes killing someone is wrong.

I would have to disagree with you, this is based on my own logic but i would be surprised if many disagreed. First of all you can only imagine what something will be like until you actually experience it. Im sure there are many people who signed up for the military or law enforcement assuming that they could handle whatever came with killing someone. The reason it sticks is not because they believe killing is wrong. They may believe that, or they may believe that killing innocents wrong, or they may have their own interpretation of who can and cannot be killed.

I myself think i would easily take my dad's pistol and kill an impostor if there's any threat to myself or my family. That said, it could be from an adrenaline rush that causes me to pull the trigger or a sense of protecting friends and family. But then i have no proof of what i would actually do or how i would feel after i ended that persons life. A lot of the posts here say the same thing. "I would kill a person without hesitation and not lose any sleep if the person was actually threatening." Some of these post are from former or current law enf people and current or ex military who may or may not have taken someones life but to go back to what i originally said, you can imagine all you want. That doesn't mean that't how your going to feel after the deed is done.

To conclude, people sign up to be cop's to protect and serve, they don't have to be people who can't handle shooting someone. Respect those who serve and help them if they need it. The cop who shot the kid with his AS Beretta... I would think he would feel bad, but nowhere can any blame be placed on him for feeling bad about shooting a 13 year old kid because he was pointing what looked to be a real gun. Shoot first and ask questions later if you are being threatened

[Mini-Marine]

The practice of ANIMAL sacrifice was not the same as human sacrifice.

Jesus was not sacrificed BY Christians.

IF you believe that he is real and the son of god and all that happy horseshit, his death was him sacrificing himself for the entire human race, it was not Christians sacrificing him for their own salvation.

In fact Christianity didn't even exist until after Jesus died and was resurrected. Up to that point it was just a small sect of Jews.

[G36 FTW]

Well, I've been digging into this for a day or so and I managed to get in contact with a lobbyist.

She (yes, she) thinks it is going to pass, since it has gotten past the first committee. She also said that they are going to require all real firearms to be black because "they may be confused with the colored imitation firearms." She also let me know that if it passes, it will come into effect on 1/1/2012. They are requiring a "predominant" coating of bright colors covering 80% of every replica (colors allowed: bright white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green, bright blue, bright pink, or bright purple). At the moment she has not gotten back to me on what will happen to replicas in circulation (which, to me personally, is really important).


Just as a side note, Airsoft GI commented on the bill on their Facebook page a few hours after I emailed them about it; I really hope they had previously known, but who knows- they may have been blindsided along with the rest of us Californian airsofters.

And if anyone is wondering if we are fighting this, I already sent an email and physical letter to the author, Mr. deLeon, this morning. I also plan on contacting a few of the local field and store owners later today. Unfortunately it looks like the Bill is already making its way through the Senate...

['Skyhawk']

Well, it passed the Senate Public Safety Committee. We will see how far it makes it before being....shall we say......shot down? It's gotta log way to go.


"SB 798 only applies to the State of California within the United States of America. SB 798 passed Senate Public Safety Committee, a committee in the California State Senate. SB 798 will still have to pass the California State Senate floor (the full Senate), and then will have to be passed by the California State Assembly, and then will be signed by the Governor, Jerry Brown. If SB 798 accomplishes all of that, it will become law in January of the next year (if it is signed in 2011, it will become law in 2012), but it will only be law in the State of California."

It has some serious oposition as pointed out by one of my colleagues:

Support:
Women Against Gun Violence

Opposition:
California Rifle and Pistol Association; National
Rifle Association; California Association of Firearms
Retailers; National Shooting Sports Foundation, Inc.



Here's a bunch more info and some petitions if you wish to get involved:
http://www.capinsider.com/node/240

[Jester316]

Top reason to NOT pass that bill:

Criminals will paint their firearms bright colors to throw off law enforcement, thus maintaining the upper hand.

Spin on the above though: LE won't willingly retrain their officers BECAUSE of the above, and kids still get shot while holding replica guns.

Either way, it's dumb.

['Skyhawk']

Top reason to NOT pass that bill:

Criminals will paint their firearms bright colors to throw off law enforcement, thus maintaining the upper hand.

Yes that's a possibility....but on the other hand...have you ever heard of someone painting a flash hider orange to commit a crime? Criminals are not the smartest lot.

[Jester316]

John Lott painted the tip of an AK-47 pistol orange and openly carried it around... He may not have been committing crimes, but it goes to show that people have done it.

[FishSlapRepublic]

People have had long standoffs with police or even been shot treating mundane objects like they are guns.
Aside from that its only a little bit more work for a kid to paint a toy gun black and go out GI Joeing.

These kind of bills are often more for the people passing them than the people they are said to protect.

[PC]

California is just asking to kill it's economy! We are Americans! Guns (airsoft or real steel) = $

Just let men be men and own the guns they please!