AGM GBBR M4 good base for GBBR platform?

[God]

I am lookingto up the realism of airsoft a bit and so am consdering a gas M4. WE and WA are above my current price range ($250) but the AGM desn't sound too awful. Any ideas? Opinions?

[Shiloh]

I don't personally own one, but I was very interested in the world of GBBR's for a while and did some research, along with help from guys here. Keep in mind, most of this is just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth.

If you are absolutely obsessed with realism, and don't mind forking over the dough for mags, or ordering overseas for parts if (when) they break, then I say go for it. The AGM M4 is like the Echo 1/Dboys of the GBBR world. WE/WA are definitely higher quality, but it also really depends on how much you play. The reason I had been so keen on the whole gas blowback rifle idea was that I mostly play during spring/summer, and shut things down in winter and fall. So since my play time isn't that extensive, it would probably have worked out.

That's the other thing you have to think about. Gas guns obviously don't perform as well in colder climates, such as here in the PacNW. So depending on weather, you may only get to use it...five, six months out of the year?

Once again, all of this is my opinion, but if you're going to run an AGM like you would a WE/WA, you WILL be dissapointed. Remember the cardinal rule of airsoft purchases: You get what you pay for. However, if you can learn to get around the various challenges, it would definitely be an interesting concept. More and more companies are going towards the GBBR route (KWA, JG, SRC, to name a few) so I think that we'll begin to see an influx of more parts and upgrades for these kinds of guns.

I say that if you know what you're getting into, go for it. It would definitely make your average game more interesting.

[quigly]

@ Shiloh---- There are a few things that I noticed you didn't hit on. First, there is the GIANT fact that We M4s and WA(G&P, AGM) M4s are completely different. We M4s still have a brass tube as a cylinder, so it does use a accurate reconstruction of a bolt carrier. Where as the WA type use a much more realistic bolt. Also, WA have a lot more parts available for it, be it internal or external. And you can get a AGM firing pretty could with a couple hundred in parts. That may seem like a lot but remember, your mags are going to run pretty much as much, if not more, then your parts will. And with a limited cap on the magazines you will need a good amount to be a skirmishable platform.
Now on to the weather. It has been proven that in fairly cold weather GBBs can work. Now with the CO2 mags for the WA, you will be able to use it year round. Not to mention that with the realist action, you COULD use it as a training aid to a RS AR.
Well I think that's every thing.

[Shiloh]

@ Shiloh---- There are a few things that I noticed you didn't hit on. First, there is the GIANT fact that We M4s and WA(G&P, AGM) M4s are completely different. We M4s still have a brass tube as a cylinder, so it does use a accurate reconstruction of a bolt carrier. Where as the WA type use a much more realistic bolt. Also, WA have a lot more parts available for it, be it internal or external. And you can get a AGM firing pretty could with a couple hundred in parts. That may seem like a lot but remember, your mags are going to run pretty much as much, if not more, then your parts will. And with a limited cap on the magazines you will need a good amount to be a skirmishable platform.
Now on to the weather. It has been proven that in fairly cold weather GBBs can work. Now with the CO2 mags for the WA, you will be able to use it year round. Not to mention that with the realist action, you COULD use it as a training aid to a RS AR.
Well I think that's every thing.

Thanks for the clarification. I had completely forgotten about the differences in the WE. I probably should have done some more research.

[Reeko]

i was watching a "scouthtedoggie" video on youtube. There was a guy using a WE M14 EBR in the snow and he was getting hits with every shot from pretty far away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWyFQbUZQU8&feature=fvsr

Just sayin that gas guns dont always fail in cold weather

[Sho Nuff]

I have a WE m4 gbbr, its fun to shoot but never use it at games. With every one running mags that hold 100+ bbs, having real cap is to much a handicap. If ever an event says real caps only I would love to bust it out.

[Beran]

wait for the KWA GBBR. the main problem with the WE/AGM blowback rifles right now is getting it into the states. the ATF has its panties all in a wad about them and it getting one through customs from china would be a flip of the coin. getting one stateside isn't as much of a problem, but you would probably have to pay more for it, and i would be worried about the ATF one day deciding to enforce it's decision of the WE lower receiver being a "machine gun" and going out to try and find the ones that are out there.

the KWA wont have the legal problems, as they are working with the ATF on building it so it will be legal without question. that and its a KWA. its likely going to be NS2, and its likely going to be awesome. i know i would kick myself if i bought an AGM GBBR and all the parts to make it not suck right away and then six or nine months later the KWA came out for about what id paid for the AGM+parts. the rumors ive heard so far on release is late this year, and i know from our dealings with KWA at the shop that they are already on the third revision right now. that means that all the first and second edition bugs they found are already ironed out.

[God]

Right, thanks. Now, how about the WELL M4 GBBR? I thought WELL=God awful... But reviews don't sound toooooo horrid. Price range of WE/WA M4s? I can't find any AGM GBBRS..=\

[Switchback]

Like Beran said, you'll be in an "iPod" scenario; you buy a product, and a week later, a new one comes out. Wait for the NS2 in the KWA.

[God]

KWA's making a GBBR??

[Beran]

its been in the works for a while now. all the red tape on the government side with getting ATF approval is slowing it down. like i said, the timeline i've been hearing is later this year.

[Miracle]

The KWA is unproven, and they aren't compatible with the WA aftermarket parts that are the whole readon you buy a GBBR in the first place. The biggest problem is that yes, they are NS2, so they will conserve gas just like all other KWAs. But the nozzle that forms the actual blowback unit of your BCG is plastic, just like standard out-of-the-box WA system M4s. This is one of the main problems with the WA system. When the bolt blows back, its Metal Vs. Plastic. Plastic always loses. You NEED an Aluminum NPAS made by RA Tech if you want your Bolt to last longer than a few months. Its expensive to buy a brand new BCG, and if you just buy the nozzle to put in your old bolt, it takes experience with the system, and there is not nearly enough material on the internet and youtube as Gearboxes and AEGs instruction wise.

All I own are GBBR M4s. WE is the most reliable out of the box (with respect to cost). Inokatsu's are the pinnacle of the GBBR stack and they are ridiculous. WA system GBBRs are the standard but they need to be compatible with WA upgrades.

AGM would be fine for dipping your toes into GBBRs. But believe me, Mags are expenisve and a hassle, Your weapon will require constant maintenance and part replacement, and you will need to install a few aftermarket parts before your GBBR will be skirmishable. Expect your AGM to crap out, the only question is how long. You get what you pay for, but the amount of money it takes to field a decent GBBR, you will always be better off getting an AEG for the same amount of money if you are inexperienced and are not looking specifically for the limiting factors and realism of a GBBR

Tl;dr : Basically KWA is NOT the way to go right now. The upgradability isn't nearly on par with a WA system, even at an entry level. Everyone got so excited for the KJW GBBR, and then the King Arms GBBR, and now the KWA GBBR. Guess what, no one makes parts for any of the fringe models, regardless of how reliable they are for the first few months. Once you;ve been using it for a bit, you'll want to make it suit your personal preferences. Unless you have a WA system M4, you will be SOL and stuck in stock configuration until you sell it off and decide to buy a WA.

[DevilPup93]

To Miracle: What about the G&P WOC GBBR? I've been interested about getting a GBBR and it seems like the best one out of the bunch overall is the G&P WOC.

[Miracle]

The G&P WOC (a real one) is a mid/high range configuration of the WA system. They have steel internals (trigger group, bolt stop, bolt catch, all the good stuff) and they have metal bodies that are pretty solid. They are a great buy and a reliable system, although once again you will need to buy an NPAS to adjust your fps and get the aluminum or 1/16" abs loading nozzle. Also, they arent 1:1 externally like Inokatsu, Vipertech, Bomber, and WE. And their aftermarket metal bodies require some modification (Rethreading the upper reciever, installing a feeding ramp) to be compatible with RS. They also do not accept Steel BCGs from Inokatsu and PRIME, as their recievers are too short.

Based on the WA system from best to worst (out of the box): Inokatsu, Vipertech, Bomber, G&P WOC, WA, AGM, WELL

[league 4]

I'm in your position, only with a pretty high budget... From what I've gathered on gasguns.info, they recommend getting a lower end brand like AGM and upgrading the balls out of it to get yourself knowing how it'll work.