Large Chinese Airsoft Seizure

[NORDIC]

they may work fine but how much time and money did you put into them. thats what sets the hardcore from the softcore porn guns you buy.

[Bad Karma]

All guns will, at some point, have mechanical issues. It's all imported crap. However, and this is mostly directed at Kevin, saying that $100 guns are as reliable or more reliable than the $400+ options is inherently ignorant. I'm sure you can find a piece of shit Chinese clone that will last 100,000 rounds just fine. CYMA AKs are a testament to that. But the second you attempt to put a larger spring inside and the extra force shears the pot-metal gears or obliterates the crappy ABS piston, you'll see where the extra $300 value comes into play on the higher end guns. That shit isn't going to happen in my CA URX with factory stamped steel gears, polycarbonate piston and 8mm bearings.

Or when you trip and fall at an OP and your $100 JG snaps in two because its body is entirely plastic? That extra $300 paid for my metal body with a single piece barrel and steel retention pins.

I'm not even going to bring up the aesthetic differences. For some people, that doesn't matter. For those of us who are trademark whores or pursuing the most accurate replicas money can buy, China crap doesn't cut it.

[Catch22]

Weird... I've been using my JG416 for years with out any major problems. No need to put a bigger spring into it or mess with the gearbox at all. It shoot 400 fps out of the box. The only thing I did to it was replace the barrel and bucking. And if the gearbox breaks.. I can buy another for $65 bucks and drop it in. As for the metal vs plastic body. You can keep the useless extra weight and I'll just keep from falling on my rifle

edit: As for saying I'm ignorant. I think you have it backwards. I've seen your $400+ pile of guns sitting worthless and unusable in tool's garage.

[Bad Karma]

I still have full trades.

[Falcon7]

Just because somebody doesn't have a butt ton of cash laying around doesn't mean they are an idiot n00b.

Yes, but idiot noobs usually don't have a lot of cash lying around.

You see where the snowball starts to build up?

Responsible young people who don't have rich parents and are busy with school and half a million extra-curricular activities don't have a lot of cash lying around either.
Also, there is a nice happy medium to the quality/cost thing. I've got a $200 JG gun. 400 out of the box. Slammed it in to trees (cause I'm a klutz) plenty of times and the body held up fine. IMO after a certain point you stop paying for quality parts and start paying for the pretty little details.

[Variable]

Damn. zero to hate and discontent by the end of the first page.
Hooray AP.

[Limpy]

I don't see why this is such a big deal.

Most of have replicas anyway, and most stores already have many replicas in stock.

As other people said: "Oh no no more JG! What will we ever do!?"

[Falcon7]

Honestly, how many of us had $400+ to blow on a gun when we first got into the sport? Less low-medium quality guns could translate to less and less participation over a longer period of time.

[Variable]

Honestly, how many of us had $400+ to blow on a gun when we first got into the sport? Less low-medium quality guns could translate to less and less participation over a longer period of time.

To be fair, back before the chinese made aegs hit the scene, most of us started with used guns.
My first AEG was a Marui mp5 that I bought on ebay for $200 or so.

[Blitzkreig]

VFC is made in Taiwan, and they have guns for the same price as JG and other clones. So really, we don't NEED China clones, they are just fun to use and are a benefit.
Also, they are just meeting a demand. There are Chinese versions of everything we buy, some people say that they are better than domestic or others, some say they suck. It comes down to personal experience.
As for me, I have no idea what the f*ck goes on over there, my theory is that all airsoft guns are made by one corporation that makes both crappy and good replicas, thus controlling supply, demand, quality, and price. All I know is that I cannot tell the difference between a JG P90 and a CA one. They just ship them over here, and they randomly put them in different colored boxes.

Anyway, that's how I try and make sense of it. But I am too young to know anything.

[Archangel 06]

Y'know, I seem to remember this EXACT debate taking place last Chinese New Year.....

Huh, must just be dreaming things...

What's been said is about all that is to be said in the China vs Taiwan/Japan debate, but on the economic end, it's true that manufacturers will not be able to last long under these pressures. At the same time, though, with how increasingly capitalistic China is, JG might go away, but someone will come to take it's place in a year or so.

Edit: Found it.... http://www.airsoftpacific.com/viewtopic.php?t=28195&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Original Post date is 15 October.

[Bad Karma]

Honestly, how many of us had $400+ to blow on a gun when we first got into the sport? Less low-medium quality guns could translate to less and less participation over a longer period of time.

It's called saving. A concept so many youth apparently fail to grasp.

My first gun was a brand new CA G36. I paid upwards of $500 when I bought it new in 2005-6.

[Nox]

I wasn't trying to be elitist. I was referring to those who don't play responsibly and maturely. Those that play in a city park, do stupid shit like shoot cars that drive by, or brandish it and get the cops involved, even make the news and hurt our sport. Teenagers don't make a lot of money, does that not make sense? I'm sorry that you flip burgers, it's not my fault you made that choice either.

Half the retards that shoot up parks, tool around at schoolyard playgrounds, and shoot cars do it with the Big5/Wal Mart shit they can pick up cheaper than the lowest cost China Clone.
This is the same debate thats played over and over again back in the days of paintball - dipshits marking buildings, stop signs, drive by's. In EVERY sport like this, you're going to get the idiot that makes it look bad, regardless of the cost or type of gun. I bet a decent portion of those being asshats and doing things they shouldn't could possibly own a CA...or a VFC..or any number of high cost guns. Parents buy teenagers all sorts of shit that they in turn use irresponsibly, its how the cookie crumbles.
Education is the key - just like any new player. There have to be those that take up the fight to become a shepherd and lead those sheeple to the promised land of responsible play.

As far as my 'choice' to have a low budget - I worked at a manufacturing facility as a materials handler for 8 years at 16 bucks an hour before they downsized, which cut my "paychecks" to roughly 275 a week which is now given to me by unemployment. As a caveat to my layoff, I was given the choice to go to college for a 2 year degree in a county where unemployment is at about 15 percent - so right now my choice is to get a Manufacturing degree rather than sit with my thumb up my a$$ and let you support it through your well paid taxes because I cant get employment at said burger flipping joint.

[mossy]

People do it with real guns too, and it gives every other responsible owner a bad name...

[Prophet]

While this is just China again trying to make a show of how awesome it's government is at confiscating stuff, rather than actually trying to solve problems, these raids seem to be happening with much more frequency.

Sounds familiar... something stateside, maybe?