Why? What? FPS?

[Eudorus]

The numbers are different but the net result isn't. I took a 400 fps bb to the shoulder at holy wars at point blank range. I got a bruise out of it. I took a burst from a 330 fps AK at 4 feet at one of Alex's games and went away with a line of bloody welts. There are too many factors to consider when you are trying to draw the line of absolute safety which is why we draw a simple blanket rule at a level that reduces risk to an acceptable level.
There is no real difference between the types of injuries recieved from bbs at 330-400 fps. The bruise might be a little bigger, the welt might be a little deeper but that's all.

Once you get up to about 2.7-3 joules sort of area the Home office study found you started getting more penetrating types of injury which I think everyone in their right mind wants to avoid.

I therefore thing it's pretty clear that 1.5 joules falls well short of the threshold for unacceptable injury and every one should calm down.

[Darius137]

/thread

[Bad Karma]

You seem to have that effect on threads, don't you?

I guess I have some enemies in the community. An enemy group with a proclivity to whining.

You are abrasive and that rubs some people the wrong way, consistently. Regardless of whether or not you're right, you will be wrong in their eyes. I'm in the same boat.

Nice ninja edit, by the way.

[Darius137]

You seem to have that effect on threads, don't you?

/thread

You are abrasive and that rubs some people the wrong way, consistently. Regardless of whether or not you're right, you will be wrong in their eyes. I'm in the same boat.

Nice ninja edit, by the way.

Figured I would try to not fan the flames.


DOUBLE NINJA EDIT

[Voodoo Man]

I see the light.

shazaam FPS limits and engagement ranges, they are obviously useless.

[Bad Karma]

Well, since anything over 262FPS will puncture an eyeball, we are clearly well above safe limits and therefore there should be no other considerations in place for FPS.

New rules should be as follows:

CQC: 262FPS or below
Outdoors: Anything goes

Thoughts on the revision?

[Darius137]

Well, since anything over 262FPS will puncture an eyeball, we are clearly well above safe limits and therefore there should be no other considerations in place for FPS.

New rules should be as follows:

CQC: 262FPS or below
Outdoors: Anything goes

Thoughts on the revision?

We never discussed the upper range of an FPS. We said there was no difference in safety between 330 and 400fps.

There are places with 600fps limits.

Also, full face protection should be required to at least cover mouth and eyes.

[MillerSA15]

/topic

[Cap n pickles]

Ben has it exactly Right.


The Truth is, AP'ers are getting all choked up on tool cause CAG is doing a MOUT/Outdoor training with regular FPS limits that ALL the other Fields with MOUT/Outdoors use.

We are following "The Farm" FPS limits at 400FPS AEGs, 475 DMR (SEMI ONLY, Cannot fire full auto) and 550FPS on Bolt Platforms.


You guys are arguing over something that you have been using for years and years. But you are all worked up about it because CAG is employing it. If you do not like it, Shut the hell up. Damn.

[Filipp14]

All this seems to me like a step closer to airsoft being banned or having some kinda stupid restrictions placed upon it

[Bad Karma]

This thread is full of some the cocky'est, dip shit breathing, a$$ sucking, craigs list whoring mother fuckers i have ever seen.

And yet you're the one throwing around the acrid and discordant insults without merit. Perhaps you should re-evaluate just who in this thread is a "cocky[sic], dip shit breathing, a$$ sucking, craigs list whoring mother stinker".

EDIT: Wow, nice ninja edit there. Seems to be a trend amongst members of your team. Next time, exercise a little more forethought in respect to what you are about to post, instead of posting asinine bullshit and then trying to edit it out before someone catches it. I love the quote feature.

[Catch22]

Ben has it exactly Right.


The Truth is, AP'ers are getting all choked up on tool cause CAG is doing a MOUT/Outdoor training with regular FPS limits that ALL the other Fields with MOUT/Outdoors use.

We are following "The Farm" FPS limits at 400FPS AEGs, 475 DMR (SEMI ONLY, Cannot fire full auto) and 550FPS on Bolt Platforms.


You guys are arguing over something that you have been using for years and years. But you are all worked up about it because CAG is employing it. If you do not like it, Shut the hell up. Damn.

They're discussing something your own team started talking about.

Good. I was just checking for the MOUT exercise.

We are doing some MOUT training on Day 2, and it is not entirely in the village. There will be some assaults on the village and some solely in-village stuff.

We are keeping the FPS for those at 400fps, because that's what guns people use, and there is no difference in safety between 400fps and 330fps. People just like lower fps for indoors because they are what science calls "weaklings".

We'll cover everything in the safety briefs at the Training regarding blind firing, minimum engagement distances for DM's and bolts, etc.

330fps hits to the skin (at least as I have noticed) tend to be less bloody/ lasting, but if you are hit in a spot covered by clothes it all really hurts about the same.

It started about FPS and CQB, but has turned into a discussion of what fps causes injury and what difference in fps is nominal. If you don't want to hear what people think. Then don't bring it up as conversation. If it still bothers you. Don't read the thread or try not to get too choked up on tool