"The ACU Argument"

[FunkyDoucheMan]

I guess camo dosen't matter, if your gonna be a camper.

Camper as in staying in one place? Or doing night ops? Because if your standing in a general area... Wouldn't you want your camo to match the area?

[FunkyDoucheMan]

(Retorical question/implying the fact) Wouldn't you want your camo to match the area?

Yes, I KNOW

[Norseman]

As was stated already, ACU's were designed for night fighting. They tend to "disappear" in low light/no light settings.

Unfortunately the rest of the time you stand out like a sore tool.

So if you have a pair of AN/PVS7D's and want to exclusively participate in night ops? ACU's are the bomb!

But if your a mere mortal like the rest of us? Buy camo that works in the day time, unless of course your team is doing a US Army impression....then I guess your stuck with it.

Sometimes SA helps the NG and ROTC train, they stick out BADLY.

Although to add to what Matt said, in the forests east of the Cascades that have more brown in them? Multi Cam does better, but woodland MARPAT is still the best.

[Catch22]

Camper as in.. Sitting in a hole or behind a bush all day, and waiting for someone to come buy, so you can shoot them.

[Cap n pickles]

Camper as in.. Sitting in a hole or behind a bush all day, and waiting for someone to come buy, so you can shoot them.

Thats really a joke. Its an Online game term and has no place in the real world.

Holding a position and getting the upper hand on someone is a tactic. Its WAR.

[Norseman]

Camper as in.. Sitting in a hole or behind a bush all day, and waiting for someone to come buy, so you can shoot them.

Preferably within 20 feet of the respawn for increased action!

[Catch22]

Ofcourse Wade and at the end of the day. You can add up all your killz and tell everyone how you pwned them.

[Norseman]

Thats really a joke. Its an Online game term and has no place in the real world.

Holding a position and getting the upper hand on someone is a tactic. Its WAR.

It's a bad tactic.......

Because any organized enemy is going to perform the four F's on your a$$.

Find
Fix
Flank
Finish

Besides airsoft, unlike paintball is OBJECTIVE based (or should be). If your patrol is wagon wheeled up in the brush and your watching your sector of fire? That's cool.

But I don't think that is what Catch22 is talking about.

[scotts86]

So really what we're all saying here is that it's completely subjective based on the user, as everyone will say that whatever they wear is the best in whatever game they play in the NW. I wear multicam, and have found it relatively successful in the dense woods of the Cascade foothills, however, playing in a wide open field or in urban I look like a polar bear in the Amazon. I'm not gonna say that multicam is the best, because I have seen experienced players use desert digis in combo with good cover and never get shot. Either way, a complete tool can have the best loadout (i.e. camo, gear, gun, paint, etc.) and still sneeze when the enemy is within hearing distance.

[Catch22]

It's usually some kid sitting alone off in the bushes waiting for someone to come by.... We usually just bypass them and leave them to camp.

And pickles it has a place in the real world, because we've been using it here for as long as I can remember.

[Norseman]

Ofcourse Wade and at the end of the day. You can add up all your killz and tell everyone how you pwned them.

My son was playing some computer war game the other day. He was standing within five feet of where the enemy respawned. As the enemy would respawn, he would shoot them.

The pile of bodies was eight feet high it seemed.

I asked him what in the hell was he doing? He said that he was trying to get some new gun unlocked, and he needed like 200 kills to get it. (I'm guessing)

Isn't that cheating, I asked? He shrugged and said it was just a computer game........

I know EXACTLY where this mindset tends to come from. I freakin hate respawn points, they should be banned from airsoft.

[Catch22]

We just don't allow spawn camping at our games. It's dishonest to not even give people a chance.

[Norseman]

So really what we're all saying here is that it's completely subjective based on the user, as everyone will say that whatever they wear is the best in whatever game they play in the NW.

I'd say it's subjective to the terrain. Generally when there is a discussion going on here, they are talking about the thick fir and hemlock forests west of the Cascades. The PAC NW is one of the most diverse regions in the US. Spokane isn't Portland and Spokane AND Portland are not Moses Lake.

So in a perfect world, if a guy was traveling to games? You would want several camo patterns to choose from.

(Spokane is mostly Ponderosa pine forest, with a heavy floor of orange/ brown pine needles)

I wear multicam, and have found it relatively successful in the dense woods of the Cascade foothills, however, playing in a wide open field or in urban I look like a polar bear in the Amazon. I'm not gonna say that multicam is the best, because I have seen experienced players use desert digis in combo with good cover and never get shot. Either way, a complete tool can have the best loadout (i.e. camo, gear, gun, paint, etc.) and still sneeze when the enemy is within hearing distance.

Or stand all the time, talk loudly or walk on the heels of their boots and break sticks. Sure, camo is just one of many bags of tricks in your bush craft.

[Norseman]

We just don't allow spawn camping at our games. It's dishonest to not even give people a chance.

I hear you.

I like mission based stuff anymore, you go out as a squad, you come back as a squad. If someone gets shot? You simulate the injury and help them back or call for a dust off.

[FunkyDoucheMan]

That is true, There are many elements to being a good player besides spamming and camo.

Things like teamwork, knowing where you are and where the enemy is, only putting out as much shots as you need to, being silent, and able to get an objective will get you a long way.

Another thing I learned; "Your going to get shot either way, you might aswell have some fun doing it" - Fat canadian guy