Airsoft Etiquette (Long Winded Hit Calling Question)

[~Thunder~]

So, as i'm pretty new to this sport i may as well get set straight by you vets to the scene...

The way i understood hit calling is pretty simple...
~Don't cheat (hey stupid, it's a game of honor, right?)
~Hit to your gun doesn't count
~Hit via ricochet doesn't count

Pretty simple, yeah, but would you call a hit if someone 'should' be able to hit you, even though their bb's can't make it through your cover?

Specifically, this is what makes me question the 'right' thing to do...

[long-winded]
While playing at a field whis weekend & making a run for the flag some
guy(s) opens up on me from a secure bunker. i dove for the only cover, belly down, behind a thin tree with what i'd best describe as a huckleberry bush around the base.

Even though i can see the guy shooting at me, and he can definitely see me, his bb's were being deflected by all the thin, loose brush. After a couple sprays he yelled at me to call my fawking hits.

Now, anyone who has played with me knows that i'm in this for all the fun of it, and don't really have that competitive cheater mentality. If i don't feel the shot, but you say it hit, then i'll happily give you benefit of the doubt and walk to respawn. No worries.

In this case though, i'm practically looking right down his barrel, and he's got no part of me to hit except my trigger finger and forehead, so i know damb well no bb's are hitting me.

In hindsight, it was a pretty chickenshit place for me to take cover, but not like i had much choice. It was totally one of those "OMFG take cover!" moments, lol.

So, what do you guys do? It only takes a little twig to deflect a 6mm bb...do you just make a point of avoiding those 'chickenshit' places to seek cover? Should i have just said i was hit because he had me in his sites but his bb's couldn't break through? What's the correct thing to do in this situation. [end/long-winded]

Thanks in advance to whoever stayed awake through my story and has advice.

[Variable]

If it passes through your cover and hits you, you're hit.

If it bounces off of something and hits you, you aren't.

[dr.feelgood]

I'm a bit on the liberal side of hit calling, but I will often (especially if i'm surrounded by fire) call myself out in that situation; assuming that one of them will have hit me, but at such a reduced velocity I'd be unaware. Although if someone took the liberty of yelling an accusation at me, I may not so amiable, but that completely depends on their tone.

[Variable]

Its not scientific, keep in mind though that we are simulating real bullets. If a BB passes through a bush and hits you, even though it broke some twigs along the way, thats really more of a hit than a ricochet.

[CommieHunter]

If he thinks he hit you and he's not, then he needs to calm down. I see and hear a lot of players saying 'Call your Hits' and claiming they hit a guy, when I'm standing next to the guy they claim to be hitting and their BBs are falling 3-10 feet short.


If BBs don't hit you, you're not hit.


In general, don't call other people on their hits. You can let a guy know, and if he takes it, cool. If you're getting upset and agitated, you should be talking to an admin, not to the offending player. The admin will check the other guy and may tell you that you're not hitting him and to calm down.

[Voodoo Man]

I wouldn't have called it.

When you know your hit, you take it like a man and leave.
When you don't know for sure, you call it like a man and leave.
When you know you haven't been hit... you haven't been hit.

If I was the other guy, I would have kept spraying at you. You're either going to walk away from your cover all f--ked up or not.

[Braddock]

That raises another question:
lets say you shoot a big fat guy, wearing a black t-shirt point blank (as in 3-5 feet) in the chest with your pistol, and he isn't wearing a chest rig or plate carrier or anything like that. He doesn't feel it. Is it a hit?

[Merchant]

In that situation, I probably wouldn't have. The majority of events here are "uber realistic" how ever there are some "elitist" groups who prefer the challenge of saying you can't hid behind anything that wouldn't realistically be bullet proof. At least half the time I know I'm hit it is because they sprayed me. If someone is aching it and a BB hits me odds are I won't feel it and won't notice. If I did notice, of course I would call hit. No sence in ruining my rep and causing problems. Just need to keep things in perspective. I have also only had one or two problems with players not calling hits in the 2 years I've been to AP games which is really nice.

[Braddock]

yeah the BB lobbing thing is kinda gay too..
but thats a subject for another thread.

as for the cover thing. this is airsoft.
Cover is defined as what ever protects you from getting shot Now if we were shooting bullets that would be concealment NOT cover.
there is nothing wrong with using a bush for cover. I have done it before.
good thing we are shooting plastic BBs and not real bullets

[LiquidSnak]

If he didn't buy .25g or higher bb's to cut through brush better, then it's his fault. If you aren't hit, you aren't hit.

[Nocte]

If it passes through your cover and hits you, you're hit.

If it bounces off of something and hits you, you aren't.

This. If it didn't hit you, it didn't hit you.

When people assume what "should have" hit you versus what did is when all kinds of complicated ideologies come into play, which, ironically, cause more arguments. Most real rifles can penetrate plywood walls, too, but that doesn't make that ineffective cover when playing airsoft.

[~Thunder~]

...keep in mind though that we are simulating real bullets.

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This.
Was exactly why i considered calling 'hit' even though the bb's couldn't break through.

Although if someone took the liberty of yelling an accusation at me, I may not so amiable...

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This.
Is exactly why i didn't.

lets say you shoot a big fat guy, wearing a black t-shirt point blank (as in 3-5 feet) in the chest with your pistol, and he isn't wearing a chest rig or plate carrier or anything like that. He doesn't feel it. Is it a hit?

Is this one of those philosophical "if a fat tree falls in the forest..." questions? Hmm,

[Rico]

That raises another question:
lets say you shoot a big fat guy, wearing a black t-shirt point blank (as in 3-5 feet) in the chest with your pistol, and he isn't wearing a chest rig or plate carrier or anything like that. He doesn't feel it. Is it a hit?

Lol, that was a tactical BB proof fat guy shirt tool.

[Matt]

I don't call it unless a BB hits me. If a bunch of BBs are flying through brush and I feel one hit, I don't bother to think about whether it was a ricochet or not. I call hit. If it's direct fire, chances are I should be dead.

If somebody else calls me out, I ignore them. I always like to preach at the beginning of my games that 1) you call your hits 2) you don't call others out, and 3) you don't talk while you are dead.

[RatchetJaw]

We all have our own description of a "hit" I have been in many situations where I was stuck and they where shooting at me and I knew I wasn't getting out alive so I just yelled out "HIT" really loud. Yesterday at ash bash I couldn't see anyone close to me and felt a little pat in the chest. I looked around and said do it again and sure enough I looked a little closer and there was a guy far out there with his hand waiving at me. So I guess a hit is a hit and you just have to be honorable and try to have as much fun as possible.