US Custom's Seizes "Machine Guns"

[Norseman]

Ok, I know this is a little off-topic, but that letter above has me asking some questions. Are Airsoft GI, Airsoft Outlet NW, and other airsoft retailers selling us items that are truly illegal? I really want to know, because I was looking at purchasing a gas pistol that came with a "barrel extension" that looks like a silencer.

Then contact the BATF, and ask.

All I can do is assure you that the letter IS real. And that the jest of the letter is that most airsoft silencers are considered real by the BATF.

[Martin.]

http://airsoftoutletnw.com/index.php/20100225155/Airsoft-News/Apparently-Airsoft-Replicas-are-Now-Machine-Guns.html

[HKspecter-A2]

ATF = FAIL
KOMO = FAIL
"Terrorists" = +1

[Jewish Ninja]

I thought WE changed the specs on the guns to make the ATF happy and so they wouldn't work with RS bits?

Do you have anything to collaborate that claim? I mean that would be great, but then why the seizure if true?

Thats just what I heard on the grapevine. I'd be surprised to hear of any airsoft importer bringing in replicas that can be modified to fire live ammo. I'm guessing the easiest way to confirm that its true is to email WE and see what they say.

The lawsuit shitstorm involved with selling FA capable lowers to anyone online seems like more than enough reason to stop it from happening. But hell, that would make sense/ not make you money. Who wants that? /sarcasm

[KA-BAR]

contemplating selling my WE CQB now, to someone else wanting to take the risk of owning it.

[LiquidSnak]

huh... remember when I stated sometime ago their was a ATF ban on WE GBB rifles and I was told that wasn't true.

While the article does not mention a ban specifically it is noted somewhere within the ATF department about these specific replicas since there was a review done on them a few years ago and it was a no go on them then.

Odd they came without a orange plastic flashhider, mine always did.

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:34 pm

http://www.airsoftpacific.com/viewtopic ... c&start=60

if anyone thinks the WE M4 ATF issue is a rumor, I have emails directly from WETTI stating otherwise.

I am sure PALCO would like their M4's back that the ATF took when they were raided.

Horizon Tactical would probally like their container back.

This is why I will no longer carry the WE M4 GBB series rifles until a revised lower receiver is made (which is supposedly under concept now)

The SCAR is not a issue but the 416 and KAC will certainly be. I would be careful. Not saying boycott WETTI but just make sure you know all the facts.

ATF issues per WETTI
1. Our upper receiver is a perfect fit for a real bolt (thus possible conversion to a real firing mechanism)

2. The two lock down pins position between the upper & lower receivers, they're exact same as the RS ones (thus possible swap with RS uppers or lowers)

3. Our mag well can accept RS magazines (thus possible usage of RS mags with our bodies)

[Jester316]

huh... remember when I stated sometime ago their was a ATF ban on WE GBB rifles and I was told that wasn't true.

While the article does not mention a ban specifically it is noted somewhere within the ATF department about these specific replicas since there was a review done on them a few years ago and it was a no go on them then.

Odd they came without a orange plastic flashhider, mine always did.

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:34 pm

http://www.airsoftpacific.com/viewtopic ... c&start=60

if anyone thinks the WE M4 ATF issue is a rumor, I have emails directly from WETTI stating otherwise.

I am sure PALCO would like their M4's back that the ATF took when they were raided.

Horizon Tactical would probally like their container back.

This is why I will no longer carry the WE M4 GBB series rifles until a revised lower receiver is made (which is supposedly under concept now)

The SCAR is not a issue but the 416 and KAC will certainly be. I would be careful. Not saying boycott WETTI but just make sure you know all the facts.

ATF issues per WETTI
1. Our upper receiver is a perfect fit for a real bolt (thus possible conversion to a real firing mechanism)

2. The two lock down pins position between the upper & lower receivers, they're exact same as the RS ones (thus possible swap with RS uppers or lowers)

3. Our mag well can accept RS magazines (thus possible usage of RS mags with our bodies)

So, lets recap:

WE M4 GBB can:
-Accept real bolts
-Accept real upper receivers
-Accept real magazines w/ real ammo


Sounds like a winning combination. And by winning, I mean getting a$$ raped in prison by a guy named bubba.

[Norseman]

Thats just what I heard on the grapevine. I'd be surprised to hear of any airsoft importer bringing in replicas that can be modified to fire live ammo. I'm guessing the easiest way to confirm that its true is to email WE and see what they say.

Well, using the term modified by MY standards hints that I can take a WE GBB M4 and a file and a few insignificant real steel parts and make it fire live ammo.

Which isn't the case.

And here is the link to contact WE:

http://www.weairsoft.com/contactus.php

The lawsuit shitstorm involved with selling FA capable lowers to anyone online seems like more than enough reason to stop it from happening. But hell, that would make sense/ not make you money. Who wants that?

I think this is a case of airsoft getting a little too close to the real thing. And they are paying the price as a result unfortunately......

[AirsoftAmmoSupply]

http://airsoftoutletnw.com/index.php/20100225155/Airsoft-News/Apparently-Airsoft-Replicas-are-Now-Machine-Guns.html

Ben, make sure lars understands that these rifles were manufactured with the intent of only being used for LE and military training thus the close resemblence to real steel specs. Obviously the public can acquire these but there main goal was just LE/Mil

Made over in asia they dont understand all of our laws or concerns. I know several military units in the USA have these currently in their possesion as well as LE and use them for training.


The rifle was never modified to a new spec...

airsplat still sells them every though I have warned Kent about them..

[Martin.]

i'm not being interviewed, the owner of AONW is. AONW has had a gunsmith come in and try to replicate the action with a WE lower with RS upper, the owner will talk about what we found today on the radio station

[AirsoftAmmoSupply]

i'm not being interviewed, the owner of AONW is. AONW has had a gunsmith come in and try to replicate the action with a WE lower with RS upper, the owner will talk about what we found today on the radio station

gotcha. can't you just tell us now?

[KA-BAR]

i would advise against the assembly martin....is it really worth risking your buisness licence over proving a point, that the ATF has already made a firm stand on?

[Solid]

OH. I REMEMBER THIS.

My dad is U.S. Customs/ICE Agent, and he was part of this bust. So in this article, this only explains HALF of what really happened. What they did was a mass airsoft import and everything, but they hid fully assembled real steel stuff in with the rest of the airsoft guns. In here it just says that they can be switched out to fire real live ammo and all that, which is partially true, but they also had fully assembled weaponry in with it. I think my dad said he got a Street Sweeper out of that bust as well... Ill run it by him again and ask what all he got from it.

[Martin.]

OH. I REMEMBER THIS.

My dad is U.S. Customs/ICE Agent, and he was part of this bust. So in this article, this only explains HALF of what really happened. What they did was a mass airsoft import and everything, but they hid fully assembled real steel stuff in with the rest of the airsoft guns. In here it just says that they can be switched out to fire real live ammo and all that, which is partially true, but they also had fully assembled weaponry in with it. I think my dad said he got a Street Sweeper out of that bust as well... Ill run it by him again and ask what all he got from it.

wait, what?

if what you're saying is what customs believes then there are massive mistakes being reported here. there were no fully assembled real steel guns in that order in Tacoma.

This would also prove the fact that customs is corrupt by stealing product they find interesting.

[Solid]

OH. I REMEMBER THIS.

My dad is U.S. Customs/ICE Agent, and he was part of this bust. So in this article, this only explains HALF of what really happened. What they did was a mass airsoft import and everything, but they hid fully assembled real steel stuff in with the rest of the airsoft guns. In here it just says that they can be switched out to fire real live ammo and all that, which is partially true, but they also had fully assembled weaponry in with it. I think my dad said he got a Street Sweeper out of that bust as well... Ill run it by him again and ask what all he got from it.

wait, what?

This is my dads job, he was in on this bust, he tells me his cool stories. They dont print everything in articles