Silverton Skirm May 9th.

[Switch]

I <3 AMOS!!!! And great skirm boys and girls, it was a blast. Great weather, and epic mobile home CQC for the WIN! I still have a cubby thinking about Beran's Mk43, HeHe

[Beran]

yeah its hot shit, when it works.

[Patterson]

DISREGARD THIS, I SUCK COCKS.

Someone wasn't wearing their ANSI rated sarcasm-spotting glasses.

DISREGARD THIS, I SUCK COCKS.

[*Orion*]

F.A.G.S. FTW

[Patterson]

DISREGARD THIS, I SUCK COCKS.

Someone wasn't wearing their ANSI rated sarcasm-spotting glasses.

DISREGARD THIS, I SUCK COCKS.

Damn it.

Guess it's time to come clean and express my open involvement with F.A.G.S.



THIS POST IS RELEVANT, HOWEVER I STILL SUCK COCKS.

[Switch]

yeah its hot shit, when it works.

You still were laying down the plastic death! Standing to the side seeing you spray the shit out of all who you came across was epic.

[Eclipzed]

Good game gents. I know Noelle had a good time. Too bad I forgot the adapter to my G36, so my silly little MP7 didn't do much to you guys.

Kill Count: 3ish (1 TK)
Noelle's Kill Count: 7ish

I got my a$$ handed. :P

[Switch]

Good game gents. I know Noelle had a good time. Too bad I forgot the adapter to my G36, so my silly little MP7 didn't do much to you guys.

Kill Count: 3ish (1 TK)
Noelle's Kill Count: 7ish

I got my a$$ handed. :P

It was really fun! Huh, HeHeHe.

[REDZAW]

I had a blast! Josh loved it too.

[Deleteplz]

Chris, you need to make it out to more games.

So I can shoot you again, again, and again.

[RebelPilot]

I <3 AMOS!!!! And great skirm boys and girls, it was a blast. Great weather, and epic mobile home CQC for the WIN!

Excellent weather and turnout. Switch, Ivan, you guys are outstanding players. I had a lot of fun. I would like to offer a bit of constructive criticism, however, from the point of view of a former Marine reservist/OCS graduate who started playing paintball (thanks to Ogrejager) in 1991.

1) The mobile home CQC was epic but the rule that Ivan stated was that throwing a grenade into a room killed everybody in the room. I respect Ivan's rules and expected that the players would do the same...

I threw three grenades into the Winnebago before the one guy inside (PSC) called himself out. I had a live flashbang I could have thrown in that would have illustrated the silliness of this concept but it would have likely caused permanent hearing damage for the person inside and possibly blown out the windows. One of the grenades didn't count because it landed in the little aluminum sink in front of the cardboard wall the guy was hiding behind. Seriously? I didn't recall Ivan saying anything about that. I chose not to throw the flashbang out of respect for Ivan and his family. I guarantee if I'd have hucked an M-80 through the door, let alone a frag, there would be no comfort behind a cardboard wall. Meanwhile, the occupant was calling safety kills through glass windows...

Now, I know airsoft teams are super-competitive and all, but, so are crusty old jarheads and, in Ogre's case, crusty old tournament paintballers. So the three of us who had grenades did a favor by not hucking in the flashbang and then storming the room on full-auto at 320 fps because we assume he's going to return fire. Some rule clarification would be useful here in the interest of safety and fair play.

Since the previous CQC game was thrown by an ambush from a guy who attacked from out of bounds and a PSC member who deliberately aimed and TKed his own teammate for the loss, it seemed again like the veteran players were maybe getting bored. (I don't know why...the games were fun!)

2) At one point during the last game, I stuck my head out to look for targets to discover that a dead player simply firing into our position for shits and grins. What the shazaam, over? Two of us with BBs raining around us were fully capable of shooting back or asking for it to stop, but, that would have forced us to reveal our positions and compromise our flank. So three of us took random incoming from a dead teammate of the attacking team forcing us to take cover or return fire. I play with courtesy, safety and integrity and simply expect the same.

3) Speaking of safety: Newbies, or not; If you're standing in the CQB field and people you don't know are holding weapons, don't take your glasses off and then tell everybody else that they can't fire just because you don't feel like wearing your goggles. To that player: "We've got goggles off over here" meant, you took your safety glasses off. Everybody else had 'em on, and, besides, if some clueless smacktard who carries his weapon like he's playing cowboys and indians accidentally lets loose on full auto, your declaration and the patches on your carrier aren't going to help you. This is basic weapons safety stuff.

Another player--don't know but I think it was a new guy--standing on the sideline, pointed an AEG against another's player's chest after that player asked him to stop pointing the gun at his face. 400fps at point blank will break skin. And, clue: Don't EVER, EVER, EVER do that to a Marine or LEO or your weapon/toy gun/whatever can and will be taken from and turned on you before you can pull the trigger. I will be happy to demonstrate.

You all want mil-sim, let's start with this: Quit Screwing Around, and, unscrew the people around you who do. (Mainly, it would take one blown eyeball or serious injury for some kid's mommy to try to sue Ivan's family out of existence, signed waiver or not. I've been a civil war reenactor shooting live gunpowder for 13 years, and we've learned this the hard way.)

4) Ivan: Great games. The joust scenario kept the game lively and the field battles for the red flag were a lot of fun, too. That was a good balance of game types, and the best of the four times or whatever I've been out there. Thanks for keeping it interesting and hosting another fun weekend.

All my bitching aside, (my intent is to be constructive) I had a blast and I'm looking forward to shooting with every one of you again. *salute*

-gatt

[Ivan Daylovich™]

Excellent weather and turnout. Switch, Ivan, you guys are outstanding players. I had a lot of fun.

Thanks.

I would like to offer a bit of constructive criticism, however, from the point of view of a former Marine reservist/OCS graduate who started playing paintball (thanks to Ogrejager) in 1991.

I will take your constructive criticism and try to make future games more enjoyable for everyone.

1) The mobile home CQC was epic but the rule that Ivan stated was that throwing a grenade into a room killed everybody in the room. I respect Ivan's rules and expected that the players would do the same...

I threw three grenades into the Winnebago before the one guy inside (PSC) called himself out. I had a live flashbang I could have thrown in that would have illustrated the silliness of this concept but it would have likely caused permanent hearing damage for the person inside and possibly blown out the windows. One of the grenades didn't count because it landed in the little aluminum sink in front of the cardboard wall the guy was hiding behind. Seriously? I didn't recall Ivan saying anything about that. I chose not to throw the flashbang out of respect for Ivan and his family. I guarantee if I'd have hucked an M-80 through the door, let alone a frag, there would be no comfort behind a cardboard wall.

When you threw a grenade in the Winnebago it should have killed everyone in that room however the shower (when closed) is a separate room.
I learned after that the person inside was not hiding in the shower like I thought but was around a corner and he should have been killed by your frag.

Meanwhile, the occupant was calling safety kills through glass windows...

The safety killing through glass does not work. A safety kill means that if you pulled the trigger a BB would fire out of your gun and hit the player you are calling the safety kill on but you don't want fire that close because you might hurt the target.

Now, I know airsoft teams are super-competitive and all, but, so are crusty old jarheads and, in Ogre's case, crusty old tournament paintballers. So the three of us who had grenades did a favor by not hucking in the flashbang and then storming the room on full-auto at 320 fps because we assume he's going to return fire. Some rule clarification would be useful here in the interest of safety and fair play.

The Winnebago is a tough thing to take without grenades it's way to small to breach and clear so the best way to do it is to kill everyone inside then go in.

Since the previous CQC game was thrown by an ambush from a guy who attacked from out of bounds...

The boundary issue was my fault I should have gone over that before the game but I didn't.

...and a PSC member who deliberately aimed and TKed his own teammate for the loss, it seemed again like the veteran players were maybe getting bored. (I don't know why...the games were fun!)

2) At one point during the last game, I stuck my head out to look for targets to discover that a dead player simply firing into our position for shits and grins. What the f**k, over? Two of us with BBs raining around us were fully capable of shooting back or asking for it to stop, but, that would have forced us to reveal our positions and compromise our flank. So three of us took random incoming from a dead teammate of the attacking team forcing us to take cover or return fire. I play with courtesy, safety and integrity and simply expect the same.

This has been a problem in the past and I will try to rectify it and keep it from happening again.

3) Speaking of safety: Newbies, or not; If you're standing in the CQB field and people you don't know are holding weapons, don't take your glasses off and then tell everybody else that they can't fire just because you don't feel like wearing your goggles. To that player: "We've got goggles off over here" meant, you took your safety glasses off. Everybody else had 'em on, and, besides, if some clueless smacktard who carries his weapon like he's playing cowboys and indians accidentally lets loose on full auto, your declaration and the patches on your carrier aren't going to help you. This is basic weapons safety stuff.

If you take of you safety glasses in a playing area you are putting yourself at risk. If you are in a firing area and you want to take off your safety glasses in a safe environment you can leave the firing areas and do so safely. If you take your safety glasses off in a firing area you do so at your own risk.

Another player--don't know but I think it was a new guy--standing on the sideline, pointed an AEG against another's player's chest after that player asked him to stop pointing the gun at his face. 400fps at point blank will break skin. And, clue: Don't EVER, EVER, EVER do that to a Marine or LEO or your weapon/toy gun/whatever can and will be taken from and turned on you before you can pull the trigger. I will be happy to demonstrate.

If someone tells you to stop pointing your gun at them please respect their request and point you gun away from them.

You all want mil-sim, let's start with this: Quit Screwing Around, and, unscrew the people around you who do. (Mainly, it would take one blown eyeball or serious injury for some kid's mommy to try to sue Ivan's family out of existence, signed waiver or not. I've been a civil war reenactor shooting live gunpowder for 13 years, and we've learned this the hard way.)

4) Ivan: Great games. The joust scenario kept the game lively and the field battles for the red flag were a lot of fun, too. That was a good balance of game types, and the best of the four times or whatever I've been out there. Thanks for keeping it interesting and hosting another fun weekend.

All my bitching aside, (my intent is to be constructive) I had a blast and I'm looking forward to shooting with every one of you again. *salute*

-gatt

[Deleteplz]

Gatt, if you got a problem, why not bring it up at the event, with Ivan(or myslef), rather than sling shit on forums behind the safety of your keyboard?

I know who you are, your a great guy and all, and I'm somewhat surprised that your doing such.

To address the safety kill thru the glass, and the grenade issues.

-The kid didn't call the safety kill thru the glass, thus, no big deal, whatever. No harm done.

-The grenades: The first one landed in the sink from what I understand, makes sense that it wasn't called. Another was a already used AI grenade, thus, I wouldn't have called that myself. The third grenade landed somewhere near the member, that should've been called, and I've talked to my guy about it.

-The TK kill I do not recall myself, I was the one being a tool because everyone was humping cover and NOT clearing shit out, it was bleeding boring. I don't remember shooting a teammate in play. I shot another guy and told him to spawn back in, big freaking deal, I know the guy. No harm done. Sure, he killed one of my teammate shortly afterwards, but who cares? It's airsoft and not everyone that shows up wants 100% hardcore mil-sim. That day was a laid back skirmish, if you want 100% mil-sim, host your own event, or talk to BSP. Not every skirmish at Ivan's is the same, some have different rules and some are hosted by PSC rather than Ivan.

-Towards the end of the day, alot of us have fun and tool around, it's airsoft, I've been playing in this community for a long damn time, and it happens at alot more games than just Ivans. It has for years. Honestly it sounds like you might have taken things a tad too seriously.

-As for the player with the eye-pro off, I don't recall when that happened, that should have been brought up with Ivan, Matt or myself. It dangerous and I know I wouldn't want to loose an eye myself.

-Towards the unscrewing comment: Not everyone wants the same gung-ho mil-sim/tac-sim shit that others do, some people just want to show up and shoot their friends. I myself normally like it to be somewhere in-between most of the time.

The only real issue I saw on Saturday was that kid in a T-shirt and Jeans not calling hits. He was not dealt with properly and I take some of the blame for that. I was hoping that he would stop and be more honest, but he didn't change the whole day.

Gatt if you have any more issues you wish to discuss, please take it to PM's. We really don't need more drama all over AP. Let's leave that to drama llamas, okay?

[Ivan Daylovich™]

Randal I think your making this a bigger deal than it is.
I read it as "I had a good time but BTW I had these little problems:ect ect."

-The grenades: The first one landed in the sink from what I understand, makes sense that it wasn't called. Another was a already used AI grenade, thus, I wouldn't have called that myself. The third grenade landed somewhere near the member, that should've been called, and I've talked to my guy about it.

The one in the sink should be called (a dummy grenade will kill everyone in the room it lands in.) The used grenade should not be called. (You can't re-use grenades.(also you can't use a tornado grenade as a dummy grenade it gets confusing.))

The [person] didn't call the safety kill thru the glass, thus, no big deal, whatever. No harm done.

I just got a PM saying it did happen one time and the person on the receiving end did not call hit (which is totally fine).

The only real issue I saw on Saturday was that kid in a T-shirt and Jeans not calling hits. He was not dealt with properly and I take some of the blame for that. I was hoping that he would stop and be more honest, but he didn't change the whole day.

I heard about this during the CQC part and I went over to him and talked to him he was very cooperative about it and said he was sorry he didn't do it intentionally.
If it happened at another point in time I didn't hear about it.

[Jester316]

The [person] didn't call the safety kill thru the glass, thus, no big deal, whatever. No harm done.

I just got a PM saying it did happen one time and the person on the receiving end did not call hit (which is totally fine).

I think he meant the person it was called on didn't call himself out.