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Postby Cobol » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:01 pm

Rubber bands FTW. Tie two of the thick ones together to make a figure 8 as Nic says. Small, Cheap, easy to break, won't cause damage, does give the actor enough feedback to know he is restrained. Also that way, if you tie ankles it's visible that you've hobbled an actor, and it takes more time to do it.
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Postby Attack37 » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:36 pm

I would have a concern about rubber bands being looped around wrists for the following reasons....

Trip/Fall; it would be easier to let go of something to catch yourself, than break a rubber band.

Constriction; some people have larger wrists, in which rubber bands may be too tight, or too loose. A rubber band that fits my wrist would turn Knuckles wrists purple.

I like the idea of having the person hold the two loops as though they are "cuffed"
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Postby Nocte » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:19 pm

If you use rubber bands that fit loosely on any wrist, slipping out of them is easy enough and there's no worry about loss of circulation on anyone.

Honestly, they're just rubber bands. We shoot plastic bbs at each other (in the face, sometimes) every weekend and often bleed from the impact.
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Postby Knuckles » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:53 pm

<lisp> But I have very dainty wrists... <lisps>

I have no problem with rubber bands, but I do see a problem carrying, deploying, and applying them in a "MilSim" situation.
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Postby Pope_Alex_Kaeda_I » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:08 pm

My wrists are pretty big too. I'd have no problem wearing rubber bands.

Im with Knuckles on the problems with them.

You know, theres cheap toy handcuffs too - they're slightly more milsim . . . . and they have safety releases
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Postby chapped » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:28 pm

Another potential issue;
Some folks have severe latex allergies. I'm not a rubberbandologist but I'd wager some, if not all, are latex rubber.
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Postby Cobol » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:54 pm

Damn, a valid point. Rubber bands are out for potential medical reasons. I guess that also rules out restraints made from peanuts and bees too. :/
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Postby Nocte » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:56 pm

Damn, I had a prototype for a hornet flex-cuff, too. Looks like I'll have to use centipedes.
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Postby Beran » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:59 pm

no scorpions are where its at. they can link their little claws.

what about some kind of foam glued into the shape of flexcuffs?
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Postby Raging Hormann » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:18 pm

Just don't glue red or pink fur to them...:lol:
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Re: Restraints

Postby Matt » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:18 am

Attack37 wrote:Obviously no restraints should ever actually be used on actors or other airsoft participants.


Why not? I don't see what the big deal is. They restrain actors on movie sets all the time. What about liability insurance? If the event is adequately insured and actors sign liability waivers, why not restrain them? They've volunteered for this. Injuries can happen, but that's something you accept when you do a dangerous activity like attend an indoor tac-sim event.
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Postby McNair » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:33 am

If I ever get around to it, in my planned mil-sim games if anyone is "restrained", they need to actually be restrained.
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Postby Pope_Alex_Kaeda_I » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:37 am

Hair Scrunchies? sure they're not particularly mil-sim, but they're highly-visible, elastic enough for damn near any size wrist, and inexpensive.

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Postby Attack37 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:58 am

The military does threat assesments on anything they do, I use them often outside of the military too. There is a point where realism and safety become an issue. If these people were actually going to do this in real life situations, then I would say that we should restrain folks.

Opening that door also opens it for physically taking someone down, pat down searches and the such. The risk far outweighs the purpose.

This may be a mil-sim event, but that does not mean that it is a military training event. After all, some people have expressed a concern over doing pushups at the training events.
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Postby mrice1 » Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:37 am

Attack37 wrote:The military does threat assesments on anything they do, I use them often outside of the military too. There is a point where realism and safety become an issue. If these people were actually going to do this in real life situations, then I would say that we should restrain folks.

Opening that door also opens it for physically taking someone down, pat down searches and the such. The risk far outweighs the purpose.

This may be a mil-sim event, but that does not mean that it is a military training event. After all, some people have expressed a concern over doing pushups at the training events.


Exactly, it's a hobby not a real training event. Real restraints are over kill. Why introduce a potential injury risk when you don't need to? It's about the same as saying eye gear is optional. I've only ever been shot near my eye once but I still keep my goggles on 100% of the time in the field.

And sooner or later someone is going to think they're funny and start messing with the actors in real restraints. I recall a brief stir at Zues last game about capturing APST's patches from their uniform if killed.

And I'd object to the pushups too. If I'm not in shape enough for the game, that's my problem and I'll have to drag my lazy butt to the car rather than play.

I like the idea of holding a restraint. Visible, fairly realistic and safe.

If you want to really go nuts also require some other cloth, blue or something, for KO's. You have to bring your death rag and your "Knuckles has been here" rag.
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