Restraints

[Attack37]

This is a topic that came up, and unfortunatly I caused some confusion, with the BSP Challange.

I would like to ask people what they think about it. NOT using restraints, but requiring them to be on the person who is "restraining".

As a member of the military I can understand the difference between the idea of "Train as you fight" and safety. Obviously no restraints should ever actually be used on actors or other airsoft participants.

However, it is not realistic for one or two people to carry 20 pairs of "zip cuffs" and capturing people without having to have a re-supply. With all of this long winded explaination let me now pose the question...

Should "restraint devices" be required for every person "restrained" in competitions on a 1 for 1 basis?

[Knuckles]

No.

I like the idea of needing a resraint on your person in order to restrain an actor, but not for a one to one basis.

A restraint is only a muzzlestrike away

[Rogue Reaper]

My opinion.

is posted here.
http://forums.blacksierra.net/posting.p ... &f=5&t=372

[shogun]

My opinion.

To restrain someone you should have to place in there hands a restraint device. Cuffs, Zipps Ect.

You say restrained and place there hands either in front of, Behind or place Ther hand on an object or person you are attaching them to, Say restrained and palce the restraining device in there hand.

This will give a visual cue to others that the person is properly restrained as well. It will also take time to deploy the restraint adding to the realism of the tactical senerio.

i like this idea, hell you could designate a color of ziptie as a restraining device, and to restrain someone place it on ONE wrist like a bracelet, that way there would be no question as to whether they were restrained or not, and you would actually have to employ the device.

[Rogue Reaper]

Sorry, a zip tie pulled to tight could cause an injury. But a rubber band may work...

[Seagreen]

There is a new thread on BSP discussing this very rule change. You want your voice heard, it'll be heard there. Restraint Thread

I will relent to popular demand, but cuffing and zip-tying a person is not going to happen

[wake.joe]

Why not just have the person hold their hands behind their back, with 1 side of the device in each hand?

For example; If they were handcuffs, he'd simple hold one cuff in each hand. Therefor, it's visual that they're restrained, but because the actor is indeed holding the device, there's no danger. Plus, it keeps the actors hands where they should be, rather than just a single "bracelet" that might allow odd movements. And it's not attached, so if the actor trips or something, they can just let go of the device and catch themselves.

[Attack37]

I do not agree with Knuckles, you cannot use one zip tie to restrain 3 people.... if it was possible, I would like to see how.

A restraint is only a muzzlestrike away

A muzzle strike it clubbing someone with your weapon, not binding thier hands. In order to restrain more than one person you would need the proper gear.

[Knuckles]

Restrained, muzzlestruck, clubbed ro shot, whatever way they are not a threat to me or my men.

[Sleepy]

Perhaps it might be a wise idea to have some of those bright yellow "Livestrong" bracelets. They're hypoallergenic, extremely visible, safe, and the money even goes to charity. They cannot be cinched down like a zip-tie, are easier to hold than handcuffs, and far cheaper and easier to maintain and replace.

[Nocte]

Sleepy on that note, rubber bands are SO much cheaper.

[Rogue Reaper]

I think Riddick still has a few hundred of those yeller bracelets.

The official rules do not include them.

If you would like to weigh in on the discution before the rules go into effect you should go here.

[Knuckles]

I don't see why we can't discuss it here. That's why this thread exists, right?

[Nox]

Well, in the realm of restraints I much prefer leather cuffs with dogear clips on them, since they can be effectivly turned into a hogtie or even a 4 point restraint system on a bed. Coupled with a flogg....wait - you guys are talking about TacSim..Nevermind...

[Nocte]

Discuss it on both sites if you insist. They are obviously reading both threads.

I'm guessing the final decision will be posted on BSP.net, since it's their event, so it's probably a good idea to at least stay tuned there if this is an issue you're really concerned about.

Personally, I think two thin rubber bands, looped together (so that it sort of looks like an '8'), would be something that could be safely slipped around wrists, without a twisted wrist and something the actor can't quickly get him/herself out of should a reason arise to do so. They're cheap, and they're available to everyone.

The worst that's going to happen is someone gets snapped on the wrist once or twice for the whole event, and I've had far worse things happen to me as an actor than that.