OP: Search & Destroy

[tommyboy]

What if no medic or teammate can reach you after you've been hit? After 5 or 10 minutes are you allowed to go back to your CP or medic station on your own?

Thank you for mentioning that... forgot t post this part.

If you are wounded, and either a medicis bot there to treat you or a teammate is not there to extract, its a 10 minute rule. Even wounded you are still in the fight, and a wounded individual can move within a 10 foot radius for cover. In that 10 minute time period you can be extracted/treated, if this does not occurr you ie. sit down pull out your death rag and be a corpse.
another thing i did not mention. when you die, do not call out dead, or hit or anything. just sit down pull out your death rag nd put it in youhead. when you die you sit on the field for 5 minutes as a body. then return to your respawn point and follow the respwn rules.

[Zahrdoz]

why would someone opperate bolt rifle and not be a sniper

Designated marksman.

Someone has been paying attention!

However, as you should know, a designated marsksman usually, (pay close attention to the word usually) uses a standard weapon like the rest of his squad; but can stull be used as a sniper.

However, I think I will be rolling with my Sterling this op... Gotta test it out.

[pea shooter]

Just wanted to say I would like to be a medic. And what would make a good death rag?

[Zerstoer]

Designated marksman.

Designayed marksmen, squad sharpshooter, sniper. However you wish to call it, its all the same.

Not entirely true. They way i see a 'sniper' is the guy crawlin around in a ghuille(spelling?) and scouting for the squad, and perhaps taking out important targets.

The designated marksman, how i see it, has a long range highly accurate rifle (ie bolt action) that runs with the squad, and simply takes out targets that are out of the range of your standard AEG

[Mono]

Just to clear it up, I'm 21. Also, there is a big difference between a Sniper and a Designated Marskman.

Snipers operate either alone or with a spotter, and his first priority is gathering intelligence. Troop size, formation, movement and direction. His Ghillie (I know I spelled it right) suit blends him in with the surrounding area so he can stay in one position for an extended period of time. Snipers spend their time on their bellies, crawling into position and laying there. The sniper's most important weapon is his radio, which he uses to report back with valuable intel. His sniper rifle is only useful for taking out high-priority targets such as field commanders, high-ranking officers and their counterpart snipers.

DMs do not have a ghillie, and in airsoft they will not need a radio. He reports no intelligence. Anyone that sticks their head out is fair game for a DM. These two roles are completely separate. If I were an actual military sniper, I'd be pretty pissed that people constantly confuse my role with that of simply, 'a good shot'.

[tommyboy]

If I were an actual military sniper, I'd be pretty pissed that people constantly confuse my role with that of simply, 'a good shot'.

I really hate to be the one to tell you this, but your wrong. Especially in the age of warfare currently going on right now. Snipers are what you describe, but there are snipers attached to full military infantry units right now. Since warfare is fast moving and the infantry is usually in the back of an APC, AMTRAK, LAV or whatever. when the unit reaches its point of deployment, Snipers; attached to that unit deploy as well. Taking high ground on buildings or whatever. Giving INTEL as you say on movement of the enemy, taking out targets and so forth. I can gaurntee this to be true becuse I know 2 Marine Scout Snipers. And both are attached to Infantry units doing exactly that. Right now in Iraq and Afghan unless you are going after a specific target deploying a 2 man sniper/spotter team is not too viable. Warfare is too fast moving in the current combat zone.

[tommyboy]

However, as you should know, a designated marsksman usually, (pay close attention to the word usually) uses a standard weapon like the rest of his squad; but can stull be used as a sniper.

However, I think I will be rolling with my Sterling this op... Gotta test it out.

And as far as a Snipers/DM weapons when attached to a grunt unit. Yes they still use M24's. But also MK11 and MK12's. M21's, BARRET 50 or whatever they feel is the best choice for them.

Just wanted to say I would like to be a medic. And what would make a good death rag?

Red shop rags work great actually. You can buy a bunch for cheap. Any department store should have them. I bought a bag of 75 at costco for about 8 bucks.

[Nightshade]

If I were an actual military sniper, I'd be pretty pissed that people constantly confuse my role with that of simply, 'a good shot'.

I really hate to be the one to tell you this, but your wrong. Especially in the age of warfare currently going on right now. Snipers are what you describe, but there are snipers attached to full military infantry units right now. Since warfare is fast moving and the infantry is usually in the back of an APC, AMTRAK, LAV or whatever. when the unit reaches its point of deployment, Snipers; attached to that unit deploy as well. Taking high ground on buildings or whatever. Giving INTEL as you say on movement of the enemy, taking out targets and so forth. I can gaurntee this to be true becuse I know 2 Marine Scout Snipers. And both are attached to Infantry units doing exactly that. Right now in Iraq and Afghan unless you are going after a specific target deploying a 2 man sniper/spotter team is not too viable. Warfare is too fast moving in the current combat zone.

That's great, Tommy. Really - that's awesome.

But here's a newsflash: this is airsoft. We have no APCs or LAVs. We have no air support. Hell, we don't even have rifles that can reach out and touch someone at 500 meters.

So I guess that's kind of piss in your wheaties isn't it?

Mono has it right, at least in the world of airsoft.

[Matt]

Is there going to be a pop quiz before the game? Who the shazaam is going to remember half of this shit?

[tommyboy]

Mono has it right, at least in the world of airsoft.

Yes but you can still have a sniper/DM attached to a fireteam doing the same thing.

[Matt]

The definition of marksman vs sniper has nothing to do with it. He wants to LIMIT the number of rifles on the field. So if you call yourself a) sniper b) marksman c) sharpshooter d) guy ladousche .... it doesn't matter, the number of high powered sniper rifles on the field will be limited.

[Zerstoer]

Mono has it right, at least in the world of airsoft.

Yes but you can still have a sniper/DM attached to a fireteam doing the same thing.

My point exactly. So why restrict it so much?

[Raziel]

oh just drop it... two bolt actions per team, deal with it.

I am going to try and make it to this game, I've decided not to goto the wedding I was going to this weekend (cost too much), so right now it all depends if my AEG will be working this weekend or not.

[Zerstoer]

Honestly, I could give a shazaam less. I don't even like most 'snipers' But I don't think this relatively small unorganized op should put such restrictions on people. This is a glorified skirmish much more then it is an op, and to tell people they can't play simply on their weapons choice is just wrong.

[Nightshade]

Okay, let me explain the way this works on APST (since we are all trained and organized by Gunny, I'm assuming that means we are modeled off of the Marine Corps).

The sniper teams have two people on them, a sniper and a spotter. They run with one bolt-action and one AEG, ghille suits and their most powerful weapon - the radio. They focus on the "big picture" and recieve their orders directly from the highest ground leader on our team (at Kitty Paws it was Jolly, at GS:II it was Gunny). They move and communicate and only fire if directly fired upon, or if they have been given leave to do so.

The designated marksman does not have a ghille or a radio (though I suppose they can), and on APST they run with an AEG that fires at 400fps. "What's that," you say? "Only 400 fps?" But here's the difference: the internals of a DM's rifle are such that there is almost nothing stock inside the rifle or without. Heretic's SPR is a great example of this - it fires straight and true and because of the substantial upgrades, the SPR fires further and with much greater accuracy then an AEG that has an M120 thrown in it. Our DMs also recieve some special training and instruction from Gunny about land navigation and recon, though they generally just run with the squad.

That's my experiance and the way APST is setup anyway. If Tommy thinks DMs in his op will run with the squad and use bolt-actions, then I guess that's that.