Safety Kills

[Darius137]

I think Safety Kills should be changed to something more realistic. Every game I see more and more of people abusing them, or even the way they are portrayed by hosts as innacurate.

Example: One game, I'm on high ground, and two guys run up the hill. One has a bolt action. He runs up the hill, is startled to see me, and yells safety kill as I shoot him.

Same game, I run up on a building, and someone using the wall as cover and able to shoot from between the slits, calls a safety kill on me from 15 feet away with an M4.

It is my impression that safety kills should be something you only have the option of adhering to, since every safety kill I have been involved with was between two people with fighting chances. Shouldn't safety kills be something that you call if you have the drop on someone, as a common courtesy?

[FishSlapRepublic]

I'm with you on that one.
Last Scappoose game I went. I was hunkered down in a little foxhole when someone came running about 10-15' by my 3:00 to which I turn and started to fire, I was having feeding issues so I can buy that I didn't hit him but as I was firing he yelled "safety kill" without even stopping and continued to run. On top of that I wasn't completely sure he even pointed his gun actually at me.
I didn't want to ruin the game with an argument as this was not some noob but someone who has been in airsoft a good deal longer and more well known than I and with a well known team. So I figured if I decided not to "honor" his BS safety kill it would just echo through the community that I was the one being the a-hole.
I guess thats what bugged me the most. It wasn't someone that didn't know any better but someone that with their experience found ways to exploit the rules to get ahead.

Anyway yeah safety kills are to save someone a few welts and if you call one you need to be able to prove it if the target doesn't think its valid and if they do decide that its not a valid safety kill they have the full right to try and shoot back.

[Wombat Six]

I've always viewed them as what they are: "safety" kills, e.g. you unexpectedly find yourself very close to someone with a clear line of fire, entirely by chance, and you are concerned that by pulling the trigger you may cause serious harm to the opposing player (e.g. broken skin, etc). Anything else isn't within the spirit of the rule, as far as I'm concerned.

Sneaking up on a known position and shouting safety kill -- not the intent of the rule. Fire some BBs. They're cheap. Hell, go for a knife kill if you're getting that close with the element of surprise. That being said, I've watched somebody walk up to a group, shout safety kill at as many players as they could (one at a time), then honor the inevitable return "safety kill" when someone caught on. Not entirely the intent of the rule, but it avoided the "WHAT THE shazaam!" argument from the spray and pray at 10 feet.

Running up on a known enemy position and diving in like John Woo -- not the intent of the rule. Fire some BBs. They're cheap. Granted, they shouldn't be letting you do this, but I've seen it. Tired of the suppressing fire from a position? Fire and manuever to kill that position.

Stalking around a corner and find yourself unexpectedly nuts to butt with an opposing player -- totally a "safety kill", shout it like you earned it.

Room clearing and find yourself in a 5 foot standoff as you enter a doorway -- first one to shout it wins. Granted, both of you would be dead in real life, but this is airsoft. Complicated if there are multiple players on either end of the standoff.

[McNair]

My issues lately are the "optional safety kill". Optional as the intended target can choose whether to take this or not. However, the few times people have opted not to take the safety kill, they just blindly open fire instead of saying, "no" or something. Now I've taken to just putting a single round into somone's PC/gear instead of dealing with some kid who thinks he's a badass opening up on me from 5ft away.

[Raging Hormann]

I have never heard of Safety Kills being optional to comply with. Only Surrender or Die.

If someone clearly has the drop on me and could easily take me out (IE, my weapon is down, they're behind me and the sun is in my eyes) I will always honor a safety kill. Out in a giant field, even if from a hidy-hole, I would prefer you shoot me.

Surrender or die is optional, if someone legit safety kills you, you're dead. No option about it.

[john boy]

I have stopped using "Safety Kill". Each time I have used, I was either shot at in close quarter or had to shoot the person because they were about to shoot me.
Now, either I shoot the fool, safely retreat to a safe distance to shoot them, or never place myself into that situation.
Suggestion on clearing trenches, fox holes, fighting positions and buildings toss in a grenade simulator. When doing so'yell "Grenade!" that way the person in the position knows what is happening.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

As I understand the general rule you must have them dead to rights. This means loaded, functional gun sighted on the target that you will have no doubt you would hit the guy with a BB if you pulled the trigger, but would cause damage if you did so. If you have a shot at gear, like McNair, take the shot. If your gun is about an inch away from their face, call a safety kill.

[Evil Zergling137]

My current opinion of safety kills is that
a) after it is called there should be no shots fired
b) we can look at the scenario and see if it is a legit safety kill if not then I count myself back in.
c) If you call a bad safety kill on someone you should leave the area or call yourself out (probably the later).

Things that are not safety kills
a) if you can see the person calling it on you
b) if it would not be a safety issue for them to use their weapon.
c) for conserving ammo
d) in case you would have missed
e) so that no one hears you

A few games ago some dude with a DMR tried to call safety kill on me when he was in front of me. He was so far away behind a tree that I couldn't even hear him. I ended up shooting him and he complained to the admins. This is not a safety kill. Admins also need to be better up to speed with these rules. Also, the next time I have someone dead to rights and I call safety kill on them, if they don't call it right away I'm holding down the trigger for a while. If I call a safety kill it is for your benefit - not mine. If you need to learn that lesson then lets go.

If you constantly find yourself surprised that to find someone of the other team close to you then you need to get better at field awareness. Until you do you should probably use a lower powered gun so that you don't have to be in a safety kill situation. Safety kills are for when the other team does something silly like walk up to you thinking they are on your team or you get behind a group and have to get really close so you can take all of them out.

[Matt]

I have only used safety kills when people crawl right up near me from like 5 feet away. Usually they are so startled by hearing a voice, they honor the safety kill. They know that if the voice is that close, they just avoided some serious pain.

[pulsipher]

My guns all shoot sub 360 thats my saftey kill.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

I don't think it matters if they can see me, if my muzzle is in their face it's legit to me.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

My guns all shoot sub 360 thats my saftey kill.

Primary: 270
sidearm: 330.

[Evil Zergling137]

I don't think it matters if they can see me, if my muzzle is in their face it's legit to me.

Sounds like that qualifies as a knife kill?

[Variable]

The problem isn't the "rule", the problem is people abusing it.

Also my M4 shoots under 330, so I just blast em in their torso or a$$.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

I've lost like 7 knives.