Possibly a new field

[$tealth]

I love to kick in doors. It makes it much more interesting because you don't know what's on the other side.

Icepick, you're one of the only ones who has bad things to say about OAA. A lot of us enjoy playing there.

CQB City is not in SouCal, it's in Stockton, which is considered NorCal. All of the other indoor places however are in SouCal.

[Snake_Eyes]

Hey brother! Its been awhile since I've read through this thread, you know how deployments go. Anyways I like the direction of an indoor "field". An airsoft shoothouse is always a good choice as it offers security for your business against vandals and thieves and the added benefit of not worring about weather. My suggestion would to be (if possible) to have a catwalk above certaint portions so that teams can refine their CQB tactics and others can spectate. If you've been to the Fort Leonard Wood cinderblock city where Sapper school is they have just this sort of thing. I might have glanced over it but also mood music or sounds of a city also help with immersion.

The key to a good MOUT site are the props and functionality of doors. I'd stay away from strobes as they could cause injury in such a hectic environment but smoke would be cool. Kickable doors, while cool in theory, can cause many injuries due to overzealous gameplay. If you implement them make sure to padd them on th reverse side just in case someone is behind it.

Theres some word vomit for you and hope it helps. If I rehashed something else I apologize as I have very limited time to read through these at the moment.

[Matt]

You mentioned drywall, I wouldn't advise it. They had modular drywall framed walls at an arena we hosted a few CQB competitions at years ago. It was a pain. Firstly, it's heavy as hell and a huge pain to move around. Secondly, in 2 or 3 instances players busted right through the drywall on accident (falling, elbowing, etc). It littered the arena floor with drywall dust, we had 4-5 guys sweeping for 2 hours. And if shot enough, it breaks down.

The Airsoft distributor PALCO has a franchising system setup for indoor arenas, I'm not sure if it's feasible or if any of the tools they provide would be useful to you, but you might at least drop an inquiry and see what they have. They've got IPSC style competition targets for Airsoft too.

[Chad]

Stealth & Android:

I like the velcro concept for the door. We will be looking into that.

Snake_Eyes:

Yah brother I feel you on deployment; good to know you're safe. Thanks for the comments on the indoor aspect of it. I havn't seen many pictures of FLW or Sapper school but I will have to search it. I fear the only way we may be allowed to kick in doors is if someone wasn't on the other side. So during scenario play or a certain game type they would be allowed i.e. (Team A has to breach the jail and rescue the downed pilot) So we would make being inside the "jail" off limits so we wouldn't have to worry about someone getting TBI from players kicking in the door.

Strobes is also something else I want to stay away from. I like lighting effects. That being said I refer to Gel Lighting, nothing to crazy just something to change the tint of the room. No lazer shows. As for smoke, fog machines will be a great benefit if done right.

Also with the music, we want to include it but we don't want to make it cheezy/cheap. Stay safe.

Matt:

Thanks for the experiences on drywall. We have figured the shape and size of our buildings, but we are stuck on the materials to use for the wall. Drywall, Sheetrock, OSB Sheathing, Plexiglass, PEG board, Netting. We are covering everything, we need it to be light but durable. Easy to move but wont fall over when someone dives into it on accident. My father-in-law has over 30 years of construction and contracting experience. We were discussing it last night, but unable to come up with a solid solution on what to use for walls.

I have not heard of PALCO, but I will contact them and see everything they have to offer.

Thus far the companies I have contacted and put inquiry into are - Echo1 - SOCOM Gear - BlackHawk!

Thanks for the info gentlemen, it is always beneficial
Chad

[Spitfire]

Chad, dont forget about our buddy, sheet metal, too! Just becareful where you put it, sharp metal can cause lawsuits. Is it going to be an indoor or outdoor field? Buildings would be so much easier if it is indoors. Less rotting of woods, rusting of metals, and weathering of all various materials. I'm also unsure of whether or not someone has already talked about these or not, no time to read through the couple pages that I've missed.

[Chad]

Spitfire:
It will be an indoor field.

Metal would be a great option if it wasn't for the possible hazards. The market for metal doesn't spike like the ones for lumber. So the pricing is always relatively cheaper. The catwalk for instance would be built from steel Mezzanine; which is generously priced.

Thanks for the input,
Chad

[$tealth]

Perhaps you could also weld steel cables together for cover? I mean like the stuff they use for bridges. I don't know how available or expensive it is, but it would be cool to have a sort of hut made of steel cables to hide in. There could be some hazards to do with it like there are with sheet metal too, but I have no idea. I suppose you would need a fork lift/crane to move those things though.

Just a thought...

[Spitfire]

Spitfire:
It will be an indoor field.

Metal would be a great option if it wasn't for the possible hazards. The market for metal doesn't spike like the ones for lumber. So the pricing is always relatively cheaper. The catwalk for instance would be built from steel Mezzanine; which is generously priced.

Thanks for the input,
Chad

Honestly, if it's indoors, I'd go like a TacTac/The Airsoft Center idea and use lots of plywood. You can get plywood cheap, and it paints fairly easily, and its strong. For doors, I'd use the kick in idea with padding on the opposing side, a small "do not stand" area, and some velcro to add resistance(as stated before). Sheet metal might be more easily usable if the ends are...curled/folded in maybe?? or...covered with some sort of material....like a plastic/rubber overlay perhaps?? and for covers, I'm sure you could always ask the general public for donated things. I'm sure many people wouldn't mind donating a desk, or a bed, old rusty cars, plywood, etc if you ask nicely I 100% agree with the guy who said to kind of model it after milsimjunkie videos.

[Chad]

Stealth & Spitfire:

All great ideas, but the drawback to using metal is the weight. Bunkers need to be majorly overhauled once a month, and it needs to be done with 3 or less people. So having the buildings/bunkers lighter and easier to move is a must. You run into the same problem with most materials used to build. I see us not having a forklift readily available to move such objects.

When we are closer to our goal we will shoot out requests for employment, help and/or building materials if people are interested in donation.

Thanks fellas for the ideas,
Chad

[Orwell]

The HVT idea sounds intriguing.

[$tealth]

Stealth & Spitfire:

All great ideas, but the drawback to using metal is the weight. Bunkers need to be majorly overhauled once a month, and it needs to be done with 3 or less people. So having the buildings/bunkers lighter and easier to move is a must. You run into the same problem with most materials used to build. I see us not having a forklift readily available to move such objects.

When we are closer to our goal we will shoot out requests for employment, help and/or building materials if people are interested in donation.

Thanks fellas for the ideas,
Chad

Yeah that's why I wasn't sure if metal would work since it's not too movable. Maybe some sort of metal reinforced plywood?

[Chad]

Stealth:

I think the metal reinforced plywood would be going a bit overboard for our CQB/CQC buildings. I believe OSB will be the best option. Thank you for the continued input and ideas.

Welshy:

I agree with base idea. We initially were coming at the arena all wrong as far as the "set-up" of the arena. So we stopped and decided we will have base structures that don't move i.e. Jail, Farm, HQs, respawns and we'll build to compensate for that fact. Now all we have to do is create halls, alleyways, "apartment" buildings etc. In the end we'll be able to offer a different arena monthly, but it'll retain the base structures for game styles and a sense of familiarity.

Thanks again guys,
Chad

[Payback]

Not sure if this place has been linked to yet or not. But it's one of the best indoor places i've seen around with their structures and stuff. SS airsoft out of Georgia

[Chad]

Payback:

We have checked out SS Airsoft and they are at the top with one of the best cosmetically done fields we have seen. They have a great environment from the entrance, to the arena. Cosmetically, we want to make it very appealing but we want the arena to serve more than just a place to shoot people.

Teamwork is a huge base we are using to build this arena. The arena will require each individual to maintain 360 degree security, even when being inside the buildings. Since it is an indoor arena our moveable buildings need to be smaller and not a square shape. They'll be connected, mimicing hallways in a apartment. Each building has 2 windows and two doors. Because of this I predict the FPS to be 330, depending on what lawyers and insurance say, we don't want to incorporate a "Safety Kill" rule. Due to the extreme likelihood of engagements of less than 5-10 feet away when moving through the buildings.

We'll initially have a "rhythm" section - 5' high walls interlaced with 3' walls. These will be stacked as if they were "bounding". The section is there to have players stay low and also crawl to use the section effectively and advance forward (our floors will be clean). These are just a few things.

All of the battle buddy drills, live-fire exercises, stx lanes, competitions have proven extremely useful in planning this. This course will be fun, but it will also be a challenge.

Thanks again Payback,
Chad

[Farmer]

and another +10 if the "rythm walls" can be gone around or even over or have some able to be gone under like a pipe drain idea. a half circle with the floor and the bottom