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Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Tork » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:57 am

First things first: THANK YOU WELSHY :D

I had a previous topic about deciding/building my first kit and you helped me find everything basic that i needed :)
I will post pics soon and thanks again for helping me.

After more research on the breakdown of a fireteam and what platforms the soldiers would generally use, what are common platform options you would see for the basic 4-man fireteam? i already know the standards i'm just curious about what everyone here has seen and what modifications were added/common like optics and torches.

I can't seem to find the basic equipment each person would carry either. I need to know how many Thunder-B and Tornado grenades a fire team should have, as well as what other items should be carried :lol:

If i was looking for a broad combat effective squad of 2 4-man fireteams, i need a general synopsis/opinion of what it would look like. Thanks again everyone on AP for helping me with all my noob questions ;)
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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Variable » Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:27 pm

SF is a big set of organizations with different setups and ways of doing things.

Generally your fireteam is: Rifleman (TL), Grenadier, SAW, Marksman

In BB wars where you don't have realistic ammunition restrictions there isn't much fundamental difference between an m4 and a m249, your fireteam is: rifleman, rifleman, rifleman, rifleman and everyone carries as many Thunder B's as 1. they can afford and 2. the mission dictates.
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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Dexter » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:35 pm

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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Tork » Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:51 am

Thanks Serial, very nice pic :D

Variable, i know the components of a fire team. I think my OP wasn't written well enough on my part and i'll just ask a series of direct questions :D

1. How often are rockets used in the PacNW?

2. How often do events employ Urban/CQB other than the indoor arenas?

3. Does thed price of a brand new airsoft rifle generally reflect the quality of it?

4. If you were to choose the roles a 2 fire teams what would it be based on multi-enviroment/situations?
(ie. team of a TLRM, RMAT, G, AR and the other a TLRM, DM, G, AR)

5. Do people empoly sniper teams to airsoft as a tactical advantage?

I still will have many more questions :lol: but i will stop right here. I would love to hear everyones opinion/thoughts ;)
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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Aforbit » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:26 am

Tork wrote:Thanks Serial, very nice pic :D

Variable, i know the components of a fire team. I think my OP wasn't written well enough on my part and I'll just ask a series of direct questions :D

1. How often are rockets used in the PacNW?

2. How often do events employ Urban/CQB other than the indoor arenas?

3. Does the price of a brand new airsoft rifle generally reflect the quality of it?

4. If you were to choose the roles a 2 fire teams what would it be based on multi-environment/situations?
(ie. team of a TLRM, RMAT, G, AR and the other a TLRM, DM, G, AR)

5. Do people employ sniper teams to airsoft as a tactical advantage?

I still will have many more questions :lol: but i will stop right here. I would love to hear everyone's opinion/thoughts ;)


I can talk about a few of these points but not all of them, however i will try to help as best I can.

1. How often are rockets used in the PacNW? Sorry to say I can't say too much on this one, but I will tell you this a rocket launcher system can be expensive and the rockets can get beat up fairly quickly and fly all screwy when shot, also it largely depends on the what the field allows to be played and how they allow there use... at least that's how it is down in here in FL it would not be too far of a stretch to think the fields up in PACNW have the same style rules.

3. Does the price of a brand new airsoft rifle generally reflect the quality of it? humm...well sort of the rule of thumb is this: any new AEG under 100 bucks is not worth plastic it's made with these are your walmart/k-mart guns they are all crap. AEG's In the 150 to 200ish dollar price range you will see metal gear boxes and plastic housing these can be but are not limited to JG,Dboys,CYMA ,A&K ect.. they are good starter AEG's and for the most part are good quality. The next step up is your high end stuff $250+ often times thise AEG's offer full metal gear box and metal housings they can take a real beating and are high quality. Echo1, Socom gear,Real sword, Toyko maru ect.. are your higher end brands.

4. If you were to choose the roles a 2 fire teams what would it be based on multi-environment/situations? IMO when I am squad lead M.E.T.T.C dictates what "roles" my fire team will play. I don't like to type cast my team members in to just one type of style of play. M.E.T.T.C (Mission, Enemy, Time , Terrain, Cover). Here is a quick example: Mission: cap enemy flag. Enemy: how many? 12 bad guys , Time: how long will it take my team to get to the objective, terrain what type of terrain will we be fighting in and Cover what kind of cover will this terrain provide.

5. Do people employ sniper teams to airsoft as a tactical advantage? ok I think the question should be do people use snipers correctly ? all too often times no and a lot of "snipers" often times do not fully understand the role beyond simple zomga! enemy's pew pew pew. With that being said It depends largely on how organized the game is. If it's a backyard skirmish or just a group of friends playing most likely not. If it's an open play day maybe but for the most part no. There may be a team or two but mostly it's both sides zerging one another until one side wins. If it's an event then it depends on the commander and the teams that show up. I have seen event commanders have their own Pocket snipers used for recon/overwatch or area/ equipment denial .

I hope this helps :)
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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Pharaoh 6 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:36 pm

It's not M.E.T.T.C. (Mission, Enemy, Time, Terrain, Cover)

It's

METT-TC (Mission, Enemy, Terrain & weather, Troops available, Time available and Civilians)

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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Variable » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:25 pm

Tork wrote:1. How often are rockets used in the PacNW?

2. How often do events employ Urban/CQB other than the indoor arenas?

3. Does thed price of a brand new airsoft rifle generally reflect the quality of it?

4. If you were to choose the roles a 2 fire teams what would it be based on multi-enviroment/situations?
(ie. team of a TLRM, RMAT, G, AR and the other a TLRM, DM, G, AR)

5. Do people empoly sniper teams to airsoft as a tactical advantage?

1. Not a whole helluva lot. Of course thats subject to change.
2. In the Northwest? Not often. Like once in a blue moon.
3. Mostly. Except King Arms and VFC. KWA for the win.
4. Depends on the game. Usually since we all supply our own kit you're stuck with your squaddies buy and maintain. Since the limited ammo/more realistic games are my thing these days, I'd just have everyone toting M4s except a SAW gunner, and maybe one person with GL-06 or similar 40mm launcher in addition to their M4.
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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Tork » Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:25 pm

Variable wrote:1. Not a whole helluva lot. Of course thats subject to change.
2. In the Northwest? Not often. Like once in a blue moon.
3. Mostly. Except King Arms and VFC. KWA for the win.
4. Depends on the game. Usually since we all supply our own kit you're stuck with your squaddies buy and maintain. Since the limited ammo/more realistic games are my thing these days, I'd just have everyone toting M4s except a SAW gunner, and maybe one person with GL-06 or similar 40mm launcher in addition to their M4.


I want to get into the more realistic events as well :D
Seems like the rest of AP has gone MIA on the forums... Thanks again Variable. I will take your advice on KWA, but what about G&P? I've heard they have the best accuracy/range M4/M16 :|
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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Jewish Ninja » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:08 am

You can't go wrong with G&P. There are those that dislike them, but I haven't had an issue with my stock Defender.
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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Aforbit » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:45 am

Pharaoh 6 wrote:It's not M.E.T.T.C. (Mission, Enemy, Time, Terrain, Cover)

It's

METT-TC (Mission, Enemy, Terrain & weather, Troops available, Time available and Civilians)

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Yes full METT-TC is (Mission, Enemy, Terrain & weather, Troops available, Time available and Civilians), however
I use a simplified version for Airsoft because something's that in apply IRL do not always apply in Airsoft ( Ie: troops available is normally always going to be your squad and /or a few random jokers who are around you because 95% of the time there is no QRF or fire support, *weather can play a factor but there is no casa-vac, med-vac or air support* and if the weather gets really bad field ref's will call the game and civilians you do not normally see unless they are part of a scenario/ game. ( also if you're playing Airsoft near real civilian non-players you're doing it wrong)

*Note: yes in some scenario games you can call in air strikes but unless someone makes a stink about it weather will not play a factor
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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Variable » Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:46 pm

Tork wrote: I want to get into the more realistic events as well :D
Seems like the rest of AP has gone MIA on the forums... Thanks again Variable. I will take your advice on KWA, but what about G&P? I've heard they have the best accuracy/range M4/M16 :|

Look for the next MilSim West game. Good shit. I'm rocking a KWA LM4 these days, and a KWA M4 aeg at higher ammo capacity games. KWA is tough. I've literally shoved the front of my gun through drywall without it breaking. I've never owned a G&P so I can't comment.
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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Tork » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:29 pm

You guys rock lol :D

Due to unexpected amazon premium taking my money i can't go to this next event. But i will pick up something decent, either a KWA or a G&P. What i really want is G&P M249 Ranger :D

Does anyone use the tornado grenades? It would seem that they would only be used for CQB.
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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Variable » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:23 pm

Tornados are cool when they work. The problem is they only have the desired effect on hard surfaces and they're sensitive to fouling.

I've had bad luck with my Tornado so far. The Thunder B grenades are more reliable in that they usually go off, sometimes too early if you've modified them.
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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Dexter » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:00 pm

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Re: Welshy Mcsheeplove and US Special Forces Question

Postby Orwell » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:27 pm

In my (typically unfortunately arrogant) opinion, you can't go wrong with G&P. However, I'd avoid new guns. You can often get a very fine AEG packaged with magazines and sometimes accessories for a good price. If you need help finding where to look, PM me. I'd be happy to help you out. I've picked up a VFC M4 with 10 mags for $180 (the guy didn't know what he was selling, yay Craigslist and indebted doctors) and a G&P with really excellent maintenance for $250, including 12 mid caps, a battery, a charger, and various other small accoutrements.

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