New G&G Combat Machine---in GBBR Flavor!

[Switchback]

So yesterday at Oregon Airsoft, the hard-working staff are busy gearing up for today's "Customer Appreciation Day," and boy does that mean cool toys! They will be raffling off a ton of stuff, as you know, but I have great intel on a Gold G&G AK...
On a more interesting note, I met the G&G representative that was getting his stuff ready, and I sneaked a peek at the new G&G Combat Machine GBBR! Not only did I see it, and hold it, I have some (authorized) sub-par cell phone camera footage. First impressions leave me interested, and the G&G+Combat Machine=affordable. I did appreciate the recoil, and felt it more on par with a KWA MP7 as opposed to a more heavy duty DaytonaGun M249, or of course the KWA LM4. So while it has less recoil than most heavy-duty GBBR's, this replica sports an extremely high rate of fire in addition to a lighter weight and tack-driving accuracy (not sure about distances past 75', but from what I could tell it is pretty fine). Due to the fact that it chronos at over 400 FPS (~435) I expect to see a low power bolt, or some sort of adjustable system, like NPAS. It fires from the closed bolt position, and features a proprietary magazine (to the best of my knowledge) that has a large O-ring on top similar to nothing I've seen in GBBR's. Circular in nature, it appears to be a large opening above the flow valve to input into the rifle. So just proprietary to most, but if it has anything to do with the blistering rate of fire, I'll put up with it!

I'll shut up now, and leave you with these videos. Awful quality, but they serve simply to give a vague idea/tease and convey my elation gleaned from interacting with such a gorgeous platform.


Thanks to CTLOA for the opportunity!


And I'm sorry, I am having troubles with my embedding function here on AP. SO SUFFER WITH LINKS unless someone more adept at keyboard-surfing decides to post a useful reply.


Semi-Auto. Gas dies because I was 2nd in line behind an enthusiastic little guy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F-VAZ3-hU4&feature=plcp
Full-Auto. Gas is about 1/2 full, but DAT ROF!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDEiMbwnhg&feature=plcp

[G36 FTW]

If what I've been finding online is correct, the G&G GBB 'gearbox' is a copy of GHK's drop in GBB unit.

GHK Gearbox: http://www.wgcshop.com/wgc2008/main/pro ... atid=&cat=

Switchback, did the magazene look like this: http://www.wgcshop.com/wgc2008/main/pro ... atid=&cat= ?

[Riddick]

I got to see and test this first hand on thursday (i was the first visit )

It is GHK's Gas System and uses GHK's Gas Magazine. The same one that is currently being used in the King Arms Polymer GBB Rifle. G&G bought the patent to the design or something to that effect as GHK is just a OEM company. So intitially it will be the same design that ghk produced but in the future there will be a version 2 deisgn that G&G has made their own improvement on.

Best thing about this gbb rifle that wasn't mentioned was that they will retail for the same price of the combat machines AEG's, which tends to be in the $150 price range.

Blowback was very crisp on the unit I tested. I just hope the price of the mags get lowered because I heard the $60 price tag but Sam "the G&G rep" said they are working on trying to lower that.

[Farmer]

I saw it at OAA today. The gbb was rather impressive, I normally dont like gbbr's, I know I am the odd man out, but this one impressed me.

[John_234]

Sorry for the Necropost, but I have a lot of thoughts on the G&G now that it's basically in production.

I handled the G&G fairly extensively at AirsoftCon the other day. I'm impressed with it. The rifle, which is essentially a G&G Combat Raider, runs for $150. The only visual differences I noted were the black, more clearly defined bolt (which had a sheen since they had lubricated it for demonstration and dry fire) and a missing dust cover - the rep said it broke, but it was indeed functional, unlike standard sportline G&Gs. The mags were stated to be $50. I was too late to get one myself (though I did get a hell of a deal on a KWA LM4) though it was indicated at some point Evike had them in stock.

The rep stated the internals are an improved version of GHK guts, and the magazines are compatible with Western Arms and GHK types, though I've little experience with those types to confirm the statement. I took a vid - though it came out badly - I can say they looked exactly how the mags G36 FTW linked. They had no BBs on hand, but I recall the G&G rep said fifty rounds.

There isn't bolt paddle functionality, but the bolt locks back when out of rounds, and you release it by pulling the charging handle. Bolt travel is fairly short - maybe two or three inches at most. The chamber is open and accessible though - it's not a brass-tube or other closed off design. I forget how the hopup unit works.

As for how it felt to shoot, the recoil was stout given how lightweight the rifle is, but not comparable to most GBBRs. On par with a gas sub gun like a MP7 or MP9. It's still a lot of fun, and the thing shoots very fast in automatic. It's relatively gas efficient and has very little cooldown until at least a mag or two is run through. I burned probably 100-150 rounds before the thing was unable to cycle. The trigger is not as sweet as a real AR or most GBBs - it's not inherently heavy, I would say six to eight pounds, but the slack and overtravel are AEG-like, giving it a different feel from most of the GBBRs I tried that day. Definitely better than an AEG a lot of pistols. The rep also said it shoots around 400.

I think it's a very good entry level GBBR, and there's very little to go wrong with the design because the actual GBBR element is extremely lightweight and doesn't rely on the sportline structurally. There's nothing in the buffer tube or gas tube. It's a great design if you just want performance and good trigger response for mostly semi-automatic play. On fully automatic, it's easily on par with most SMGs as far as gas efficiency goes.

The G&G rep stated later Top Tech models (which are easily a year off, IIRC) would have bolt paddle functionality. The separate gearbox should come out by March. For the time being, there's supposed to be four models - black/tan 14.5 and 10.5.

EDIT: Looked over my video. The bolt is basically a closed design, but the nozzle is accessible. I believe there is a hop knob in the front of the chamber, too.

[code789]

Sorry for the Necropost, but I have a lot of thoughts on the G&G now that it's basically in production.

I handled the G&G fairly extensively at AirsoftCon the other day. I'm impressed with it. The rifle, which is essentially a G&G Combat Raider, runs for $150. The only visual differences I noted were the black, more clearly defined bolt (which had a sheen since they had lubricated it for demonstration and dry fire) and a missing dust cover - the rep said it broke, but it was indeed functional, unlike standard sportline G&Gs. The mags were stated to be $50. I was too late to get one myself (though I did get a hell of a deal on a KWA LM4) though it was indicated at some point Evike had them in stock.

The rep stated the internals are an improved version of GHK guts, and the magazines are compatible with Western Arms and GHK types, though I've little experience with those types to confirm the statement. I took a vid - though it came out badly - I can say they looked exactly how the mags G36 FTW linked. They had no BBs on hand, but I recall the G&G rep said fifty rounds.

There isn't bolt paddle functionality, but the bolt locks back when out of rounds, and you release it by pulling the charging handle. Bolt travel is fairly short - maybe two or three inches at most. The chamber is open and accessible though - it's not a brass-tube or other closed off design. I forget how the hopup unit works.

As for how it felt to shoot, the recoil was stout given how lightweight the rifle is, but not comparable to most GBBRs. On par with a gas sub gun like a MP7 or MP9. It's still a lot of fun, and the thing shoots very fast in automatic. It's relatively gas efficient and has very little cooldown until at least a mag or two is run through. I burned probably 100-150 rounds before the thing was unable to cycle. The trigger is not as sweet as a real AR or most GBBs - it's not inherently heavy, I would say six to eight pounds, but the slack and overtravel are AEG-like, giving it a different feel from most of the GBBRs I tried that day. Definitely better than an AEG a lot of pistols. The rep also said it shoots around 400.

I think it's a very good entry level GBBR, and there's very little to go wrong with the design because the actual GBBR element is extremely lightweight and doesn't rely on the sportline structurally. There's nothing in the buffer tube or gas tube. It's a great design if you just want performance and good trigger response for mostly semi-automatic play. On fully automatic, it's easily on par with most SMGs as far as gas efficiency goes.

The G&G rep stated later Top Tech models (which are easily a year off, IIRC) would have bolt paddle functionality. The separate gearbox should come out by March. For the time being, there's supposed to be four models - black/tan 14.5 and 10.5.

there is a few incorrect info on this post

the G&G CM16 GBBR is already on the market cus i have one (standard M4-A1 in tan is what you can get at the moment). the price point has already been address that it gonna run parallel with the combat machine series.

the only mags it will take right now is called the GHK GBB box M4 mags they are not compatible with the other GHK mags or WA mags because G&G is using the GHK drop in GBB gearbox system and the mags hold 40rds
http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?m ... s_id=38179

the bolt does not lock back but when you fired the last round the next trigger pull won't allow the gun to fire. my gun shoots around 17rps at about 340fps. 6-8lb of trigger pull is an exaggeration seeing that the M4 trigger pull is 5.5lb to 9.6lb other than that everything else seems about right

[John_234]

there is a few incorrect info on this post

the G&G CM16 GBBR is already on the market cus i have one (standard M4-A1 in tan is what you can get at the moment). the price point has already been address that it gonna run parallel with the combat machine series.

the only mags it will take right now is called the GHK GBB box M4 mags they are not compatible with the other GHK mags or WA mags because G&G is using the GHK drop in GBB gearbox system and the mags hold 40rds
http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?m ... s_id=38179

the bolt does not lock back but when you fired the last round the next trigger pull won't allow the gun to fire. my gun shoots around 17rps at about 340fps. 6-8lb of trigger pull is an exaggeration seeing that the M4 trigger pull is 5.5lb to 9.6lb other than that everything else seems about right

I don't believe that contradicts anything I said about price or release date. They had rifles for sale when I attended, but they sold out.

Good to hear on BB cap, but the WA statement was what the sales rep told me. The magazine I saw was slightly different from the one you linked - perhaps they modified the follower?

I'm actually glad to hear that the velocity is lower, since I imagine these would be pretty fun during indoor play. Noted on the bolt not locking back.

Where are you pulling the trigger numbers from? And I'm not sure how I'm exaggerating when that number is well within your specified weight range. Specific AR-15s shouldn't have a variable trigger weight - I was simply guessing what this particular one was like, as I didn't have a trigger scale.