What is a better CO2 gun: Beretta Elite II, or HK USP?

[victor.hernandez]

What's a better beginners CO2 pistol as a sidearm? It's going to be my secondary to my CYMA CM.028 AK47. I have a a holster for it already. My usual airsoft gear is Terrorist/Russian Military look. One of my friends has the USP, and it's a nice little gun. It's so cool, one of my friends wants to buy one too.
Beretta Elite II- http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.p ... ts_id=7898
HK USP- http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.p ... ts_id=7433

[$tealth]

IMO, a 1911 goes better with an AK. If you absolutely have to have a CO2 pistol, then here: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.p ... ts_id=3789
Otherwise, neither of the ones you listed are very good. Good quality CO2 pistols are kinda rare.

[Cloudyrains]

Most pistols you can just get a CO2 magazine for, M1911's (WE) and M9's (Socom Gear) come to mind. I wouldn't be surprised if you could find a CO2 mag for every tokyo mauri compatible pistol.

[victor.hernandez]

IMO, a 1911 goes better with an AK. If you absolutely have to have a CO2 pistol, then here: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.p ... ts_id=3789
Otherwise, neither of the ones you listed are very good. Good quality CO2 pistols are kinda rare.

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking! But couldn't find a CO2. The only one I could find was a UHC 1911 from Amazon.

[Cloudyrains]

Also, why not pour the money into more gear? I find pistols personally useless if you have a working primary. With that 100$ you were going to spend you could easily get some cool russian BDUs for your loadout.

But if you really want to get a sidearm I would hunt down a CZ or glock. Much more Russian than an M1911 :P

[Russkie]

Terrorist/Russian loadout and wants to use a USP or M9.

Don't say you are doing a Russian loadout because the fact you have an AK-47, obviously means you don't know what a correct Russian loadout is. I have yet to see someone do a correct Russian loadout with an AK-47. I don't think I've even seen one on Red Alliance. Also, if you are going for the "Terrorist" look, forget the sidearm. "Terrorists" are lucky enough to have a Kala Kala in their hands. If you were to use a sidearm, it would have to be a TT-33 or a PM and you would only be using no primary.

If you were to do a proper Russian loadout with an AK-47 and a sidearm (either a PM or an APS), you would have to do Spetsnaz from the 1950's and early 1960's. Problem is there is not much information on this era, especially when it came to Spetsnaz. That is unless you know people and know Russian.

My suggestion? Don't do a Russian loadout. From what it sounds like you are doing an airsofter loadout and are going for the typical airsofter look.

If you seriously want to do a Russian loadout, look into an AKM or AK-74 series rifle first.

Mah, two cents.

But if you really want to get a sidearm I would hunt down a CZ or glock. Much more Russian than an M1911 :P

This is a good point. However Russians did use all three of these firearms. They used the M1911A1 in WWII through Lend-Lease. FSB and MVD has been using CZ 75 and Glock 17/19 for the past decade now.

[Cloudyrains]

Terrorist/Russian loadout and wants to use a USP or M9.

Don't say you are doing a Russian loadout because the fact you have an AK-47, obviously means you don't know what a correct Russian loadout is. I have yet to see someone do a correct Russian loadout with an AK-47. I don't think I've even seen one on Red Alliance. Also, if you are going for the "Terrorist" look, forget the sidearm. "Terrorists" are lucky enough to have a Kala Kala in their hands. If you were to use a sidearm, it would have to be a TT-33 or a PM and you would only be using no primary.

If you were to do a proper Russian loadout with an AK-47 and a sidearm (either a PM or an APS), you would have to do Spetsnaz from the 1950's and early 1960's. Problem is there is not much information on this era, especially when it came to Spetsnaz. That is unless you know people and know Russian.

My suggestion? Don't do a Russian loadout. From what it sounds like you are doing an airsofter loadout and are going for the typical airsofter look.

If you seriously want to do a Russian loadout, look into an AKM or AK74 series rifle first.

Mah, two cents.

But if you really want to get a sidearm I would hunt down a CZ or glock. Much more Russian than an M1911 :P

This is a good point. However Russians did use all three of these firearms. They used the M1911A1 in WWII through Lend-Lease. FSB and MVD has been using CZ 75 and Glock 17/19 for the past decade now.

Actually didn't know that about the M1911. Not that one you would get off an Airsoft retailer would look anything like a true M1911A1 :P My point still stands with the gear though. If you don't have proper gear (Like a REALLY good pair of boots, good non-fogging eye protection, gloves, chest rig, BDUs) I definitely would not be worrying about a pistol.

Russkie, I really need to talk to you about getting a russian loadout setup. I got a realsword AK and a S&T SVD and it is just itching for kindred gear :P

[Russkie]

Actually didn't know that about the M1911. Not that one you would get off an Airsoft retailer would look anything like a true M1911A1

Na plenty of companies make a true M1911A1 (1924 configuration). The hard part is finding a M1911 in 1911 configuration. Inokatsu made a limited edition run and Western Arms might make one.

Russkie, I really need to talk to you about getting a russian loadout setup. I got a realsword AK and a S&T SVD and it is just itching for kindred gear :P

You'll have tough luck with a T56 when it comes to a Russian loadout. I found out the hard way. Don't do what I did and covert a T56 into an AKM. It's cheaper to buy an LCT AKM or AK-74 series rifle. Hell, even an Inokatsu AKM or AK-74 series rifle will run you the as much as the conversion, just with out the headache. The SVD will work great since they have been implemented into every Soviet 12-13 man squad as a DMR since introduction in 1963.

As for proper gear, I can give you some pointers. I just need to know what specific era you want to do. For now check out http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/index.php They have a plethora of info on all Eastern Bloc equipment. A lot of the regulars there know a lot more than I do. Their selling section also rocks.

[Cloudyrains]

Actually didn't know that about the M1911. Not that one you would get off an Airsoft retailer would look anything like a true M1911A1

Na plenty of people make a true M1911A1 (1924 configuration). The hard part is finding a M1911 in 1911 configuration (Inokatsu made a limited edition run).

Russkie, I really need to talk to you about getting a russian loadout setup. I got a realsword AK and a S&T SVD and it is just itching for kindred gear :P

You'll have tough luck with a T56 when it comes to a Russian loadout. I found out the hard way. Don't do what I did and covert a T56 into an AKM. It's cheaper to buy an LCT AKM or AK-74 series rifle. Hell, even an Inokatsu AKM or AK-74 series rifle will run you the as much as the conversion, just with out the headache. The SVD will work great since they have been implemented into every Soviet 12-13 man squad as a DMR since introduction in 1963.

As for proper gear, I can give you some pointers. I just need to know what specific era you want to do. For now check out http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/index.php They have a plethora of info on all Eastern Bloc equipment. A lot of the regulars there know a lot more than I do. Their selling section also rocks.

Thanks for the info! I might cheat a little with the Type 56, as it is such a solid gun, at least until I can pick up a Cyma 74 or something else. Would a Skorpion work as a sidearm with the SVD? I am going for a 80s-90s cold war loadout, but still getting what I want to do figured out. Anyways, I don't want to derail this thread anymore so if you have something to add please PM me, and thanks for the support

[Orwell]

Anyways, I don't want to derail this thread anymore so if you have something to add please PM me, and thanks for the support

No! Wait! I'm reading this eagerly. New thread?

[Russkie]

No! Wait! I'm reading this eagerly. New thread?

If you are being serious, go for it. I'm willing to answer questions there or by PM.

[millettepatricia]

Well,as far as what I was looking for in the Beretta from the USP was that the Beretta might have had some better accuracy potential due to the heavier slide and such....

[Jewish Ninja]

The weight of the slide does not affect the accuracy of a pistol.

I wouldn't really look at getting a CO2 pistol as they tend to shoot higher than is suggested for a sidearm (sidearms are usually used when clearing a building if your primary is shooting too hot, or as a backup to your bolt when someone is to close to you). You can pick up a full metal (unlike the M9 you linked) KJW M9 for about $100 which will be loads better. They are built great and take loads of abuse. I've had mine for 6 years with nothing wrong.

I also agree with cloudyrains, make sure the rest of your kit is squared before you invest in a sidearm. I always carry one, and rarely get to use it. Having all your gear setup correctly (enough room to carry your ammo, snacks, radio if you have one, and water) is a much more important base to cover.


As a side note, the Type 56 is an accurate gun if your making a Taliban or Vietcong loadout. The CIA gave the Taliban the Type 56 during the Afgan/Soviet war and the Chinese supplied the Vietcong with it during the American/Vietnam war. Basically, if you wanna be a baddie (or goodie depending on what way you're looking at it) you can't go wrong with a Type 56.

[victor.hernandez]

Well my usual gear is terrorist kinda Russian irregular military from the cold war look. I don't have to be 100% accurate, I don't think anybody will care. Just what looks best. I guess I'll just buy a single action UHC 1911 springer, and use the rest of the money on a tan AK Chest rig for gear, so I won't have tO carry my pack. I play in ge forest, so I don't know of tan will work but I'll try it. I couldn't find a OD AK chest rig. I have a high cap AK mag, a 150rd mid cap, and a 68rd mid cap.

[$tealth]

Well my usual gear is terrorist kinda Russian irregular military from the cold war look. I don't have to be 100% accurate, I don't think anybody will care. Just what looks best. I guess I'll just buy a single action UHC 1911 springer, and use the rest of the money on a tan AK Chest rig for gear, so I won't have tO carry my pack. I play in ge forest, so I don't know of tan will work but I'll try it. I couldn't find a OD AK chest rig. I have a high cap AK mag, a 150rd mid cap, and a 68rd mid cap.

Here: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.p ... ts_id=6916

Or if you want the cheaper one, here: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.p ... ts_id=8469

The NC Star does not come in OD, and IMO the Pantac has a better pouch setup.
Otherwise, get this: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.p ... ts_id=8753
The manufacturer (Condor) makes them in all colors and patterns (ACU, Desert, OD, Black, Multicam) but I have yet to see one in any color other than desert in any stores around here. Mine is OD and I got it used, so some store somewhere must sell them.

I'm pretty sure the Taliban and Soviets didn't fight together in the cold war... But I'm probably wrong considering I haven't gotten that far in history yet.