(insert explictive) FAKES!

[MarksInnerDemon]

I am not a navy seal, I don't ever intend to be, and while I was thinking about SF ages ago I blew my ghost of a chance but good. Never in my life have I claimed to be anything I haven't been. Hell I came to the Airsoft Community holding my tougn because my interest wasn't probably the same as most others. I was really in it to see if I could use even a remote bit of the community for training. There is some application with it, but I digress. Well I went to my favorite forum to read about someone sending up a UAV that got shot down in South Carolina. Apparently some anti pigion hunters had made a stink, and they may have had there very expensive "toy" shot down. Frankly I think they crashed it themselves judgeing from the damage, and lack of a flaming lipo, but who knows. While on the forums I role over another, "Poser" thread. These can be fun and have everyone from people acting like Vietnam Vets, to guys claiming to be a former 5 star general. Always out for a good laugh I open up and see a .....Airsofter. They obviously went right to the gut figuring he was a poser, but did a background check just to make sure the elite Delta Force Sniper wannabe wasn't telling the truth. I remember reading about some guy wanting to make the world record airsoft sniper shot, at Okalahoma 6, and this guy was quoted to be that guy. That never went down because of what was claimed to be a "car accident" and these two people might not be related at all.

Anyways the SF community, gun community and most soldiers are standing at odds with Airsoft for good reason. Hell with the inception of Milsim and people going from having a fun game of military like simulation, it has turned into who is more like a Delta, Marine, Ranger, Seal clone with XX years of elite training, but they can't talk about it.... Add to that I have friends who play Airsoft who were also in the Army down in South America, friends going in the Mil etc. That hattery just wont stand where I am from (Savannah,GA/Beaufort, SC) with two bases nearly a stones throw from each other.

Hell I outed one knuckle head on Evike and randomly cruise by just to see if he has opened his pie hole again, because this attitude that it is ok, but not ok has to stop. If you have a funny feeling about someone, or want to believe them but something smells wrong its time to ask questions, get info and see if they present themselves like this on other forums or events. With all the real gun schools I have seen, many airsoft shooting schools pop up and evaporate quickly. Several of these "schools" charge a lot from people that may or may not be who they claim to be. It is time to do what Mad Max, and John Wu have been doing, and get the ghey(not sexual gay) out of airsoft once and for all. These idiots make us look bad, make the military look bad, and generally push airsoft and gun rights back into the stone age.

[mr_kong]

Hahahah Bushman, or whatever that piece of trash labeled himself as? What a tool.

[MarksInnerDemon]

Ohh you heard about this guy? Did you read the thread, or was he the sniper wannabe going to OK6?

[pulsipher]

Hmmm i bet we have a sticky somewhere expressing the disinterest in posers

[Bad Karma]

The shazaam you rambling on about?

[CommieHunter]

He's talking about how people who pretend to be military, LE, special forces, or the like are hurting airsoft in the public eye. People who are out for glory or for a record and fake their credentials to try and get a pat on the back.

[mr_kong]

Yes I heard of him from an industry forum. They outted him real hard which resulted in him deleting/making private a lot of his social things, like Facebook. There's a YouTube interview of him and it's obvious that he's full of shit.

[Riddick]

People make claims about being SF and all that other jazz long before airsoft was around and/or have nothing to do with airsoft period.

Look at those old fucks that faked their way into all sorts of ceremonies and what not recently that got busted.

Why do we give two shits about this in respect to airsoft? I don't believe someone just because they say it so. Most SF don't or won't talk about their history. I work with a guy that was in the SEAL program but you would never know it because he doesn't openly talk about it.

If some guy just randomly throws out the SF tag, that should usually be a red flag.

[McNair]

The two shits are given about it in airsoft because he plays airsoft, therefore he is a representative to people outside of airsoft. Pretty simple. Especially if he's been "interviewed".

[Riddick]

Did you read his post?

I did. No where did it say he was interviewed and most of it was his opinions expressed just as mine.

My comment still stands. why does this matter as regards to airsoft.
impersonators exist in all areas airsoft or not. But airsofters I don't believe bring more of it because of the sport.

[McNair]

I read the whole thread, Rick.

... There's a YouTube interview of him and it's obvious that he's full of shit.

[Matt]

I don't understand why people put so much weight on military training in Airsoft anyway. When it comes down to it, some pimple faced 14 year old is probably going to shoot the Navy Seal 5 minutes into the OP anyway. Practice makes perfect. If you play Airsoft every weekend all the time, you're bound to get good at it regardless of what some wannabee blowhard has to say about your tactics.

[Riddick]

I read the whole thread, Rick.

... There's a YouTube interview of him and it's obvious that he's full of shit.

i see what you are referring to now.

Just to show he is more of a tool if he is going on public record airsoft or not but then again youtube isn't exactly the 5 o'clock news either.

here is one site I found about phonies: http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1306.htm

impersonating a veteran, SF and all of the above is something that goes on and is a pretty huge deal. If people want to focus on the airsoft community about some mid 20/30 year old claiming to be special forces so be it but like i said I dont believe it just because you said it.

I am suprised military guys would try to tag this as a airsoft only problem. It's obviously happening all over the place and in various forms. I think more of the issue could be that they had real bullets shot at them and not non-lethal ones and we try to impersonate their loadouts and whatnot, I could see more of an tolerance issue there than anything else.

[Junto]

Hmmm i bet we have a sticky somewhere expressing the disinterest in posers

I was thinking that same thing... Hmmmmm.

[Unconventional]

I don't understand why people put so much weight on military training in Airsoft anyway. When it comes down to it, some pimple faced 14 year old is probably going to shoot the Navy Seal 5 minutes into the OP anyway. Practice makes perfect. If you play Airsoft every weekend all the time, you're bound to get good at it regardless of what some wannabee blowhard has to say about your tactics.

Somewhat off-topic...normally, i wouldn't say this, but I actually agree to what Matt's saying.

From '02 - '06, I was doing heavy EP assignments for my boss, I received quite a bit of training from him on all facets of EP work and "outside-of-the-box" specialized tactical training (both defensive and force-on-force). During that time, my son was a teen and growing up fats and wanted his Dad (me) to show him how to do things..etc so I rounded up about 12 good friends and started a local air-soft oriented team and event field down here in Northern California for basic air-soft events as well as specific field applications exercises pertaining to unconventional scenarios..etc. A British friend of mine happened to know two active SEAL team members and a few others in USMC FR that were friends of the two SEAL's. They all agreed to a simple force-on-force simulation/scenario with us as the OPFOR. The location was a mountainous/woodland environment. e all agreed on doing the exact same scenario 3 time sin a row with different approaches to the hot environment. They beat us one time and we beat them two times to our surprise. They were extremely professional and humble about our ability to overcome them and we were surprised that we were able to have any chance at all, really. In no way does it mean that my EP tactics and the air-soft/TAC-SIM team I trained with those EP tactics is better than our special operations forces tactics and know-how such as the NSW SEAL's..etc...we just happened to do well that day and it paid off.

It was fun day and does show that if you are very active in the air-soft events and are attending often..that you can and will likely do well in a possible real life situation...or in a MIL-SIM event.

Cheers!