Elite Force Opinion Wanted, SAT VVD and Recon Chest Rig

[AirsoftoutletNW]

AP, we're interested in your opinion on a new product.

Elite Force AEGs are OEM by Ares, and include a quick-change spring feature, and a two-stage spring guide.

The Elite Force / Ares M4 CQB features a polycarbonate body much like the G&G Raider series, but includes a flip up rear sight and the quick change spring options.



The standard M4A1 also sports a polycarb (not ABS) body and the quick change spring option.



These would be slightly more expensive than the G&G Raider and Combat Machine series. Is the quick change spring a feature that you wold find useful? Sound off below, and let us know if there's any other features you would want to see in these AEGs.

We've updated the website with New Products as well, and we'll be adding more throughout the day.

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SAT Variable Velocity Device


Condor Recon Chest Rig


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Condor A-TACS Team Ballcap

[Beran]

i would absolutely be interested in an alternative to the raiders that had a quick change spring option. id want to know more about the reliability and parts commonality of the AREs guns though, knowing thier history. how much more expensive would they be?

[league 4]

I feel like for players with no CQC place readily available (like tactac) a quick change spring wouldn't be very useful and Ares' usual lack of quality wouldn't make up for the extra cost.

[Steve]

I covet the AMG. Covet it muchly, of a muchness.

[FishSlapRepublic]

With some events having different velocity limits for SAWs and DMRs, the ability to quickly change your spring is a huge bonus for those that like to run SAWs and DMRs.

I for one would love for these things to become a standard provided it's done right. For me that means no split gearbox. They just need something like real sword has with there type 97.

[Jester316]

I forsee issues at games where people drop in heavier springs after chrono. It's this ability that makes us limit HPA bolt actions. There would need to be a system in place where the quick change means that it's only quick when at home, not at the field.

[Minerva]

I forsee issues at games where people drop in heavier springs after chrono. It's this ability that makes us limit HPA bolt actions. There would need to be a system in place where the quick change means that it's only quick when at home, not at the field.

You won't have that problem because if you drop in an M120+ the gearbox will explode. Trust me

[FishSlapRepublic]

I forsee issues at games where people drop in heavier springs after chrono. It's this ability that makes us limit HPA bolt actions. There would need to be a system in place where the quick change means that it's only quick when at home, not at the field.

Quick change spring systems still require you to disassemble the AEG. Not exactly something you would want to do in the field. And if someone wants to go that far to cheat they will find other ways like having extra gearboxes at the ready.

[Minerva]

I forsee issues at games where people drop in heavier springs after chrono. It's this ability that makes us limit HPA bolt actions. There would need to be a system in place where the quick change means that it's only quick when at home, not at the field.

Quick change spring systems still require you to disassemble the AEG. Not exactly something you would want to do in the field. And if someone wants to go that far to cheat they will find other ways like having extra gearboxes at the ready.

Not really. Screw off the stock and plop out the spring guide. Put her back in, and screw the stock in. Takes 30 seconds if not less.

[CommieHunter]

I forsee issues at games where people drop in heavier springs after chrono. It's this ability that makes us limit HPA bolt actions. There would need to be a system in place where the quick change means that it's only quick when at home, not at the field.

There are already a lot of AEG platforms that have quick change spring options. The ARES G36 has a tool-free quick change spring that can be done in 30-60 seconds. So far no one has gone out and hopped their gun on the field to increase the velocity.

IF it becomes an issue, I can see admins spot checking on the field (much like paintball).

However, most people that I've played with aren't out to hurt other players. 80%-90% of players on the field with guns that shoot between 400-415 have stock guns that they don't want to take apart because it voids the warranty. I really don't forsee people dropping in hot springs as an issue.

[Switchback]

Why are M249's not an issue?

[CommieHunter]

Why are M249's not an issue?

What do you mean?

Since quick-change spring technology is already available and it is not being abused, I don't see a reason to expect that it will be abused by the introduction of a new model.

[Minerva]

I think the bigger problem with a QC spring system is that given to a newer player, there is a high chance they will drop in something like an M130 or something because "FPS = better gun" and end up ruining their gun..

Maybe it was better to keep the gearbox "noob proof"..

[Payback]

Has the outlet tested out that SAT device yet? It looks very interesting. I've watched the video the maker did on how to adjust it. But was wondering any other thoughts on it.

[Switchback]

Why are M249's not an issue?

What do you mean?

Since quick-change spring technology is already available and it is not being abused, I don't see a reason to expect that it will be abused by the introduction of a new model.

My point exactly. Quick change isn't an issue, HPA in automatics wouldn't be either; they sound so different that people would be able to tell...