Senate bill passed to make airsoft gun look more like toys

[vibora]

Yeah. Laws like that are stupid.

Who needs seat belts!
Who needs to limit how much people can drink and drive, or even just drink!
Who can tell me i should be able to make crack in my own house!
Who can tell me i'm not allowed to have an abortion!

It's not fair!! Laws like that are stupid. People should be able to do what ever the heck they want. Natural selection will take care of the rest!

(end sarcasm rant)

Come on, dude. I think you know exactly what I meant. People cannot be allowed to do whatever they want. That's called anarchy, mah boy, and a functioning society doesn't work real well in that situation. Certain gun laws that are in place already do some good things, but regulating the color of airsoft guns to make them look like toys is ridiculous. Airsoft is a game, but I do not treat my guns as if they were toys. Why should they have to look like them? I do my utmost to practice all of the safety stuff that would go along with a real gun, right up to the point where I shoot at another person with it.

Frankly, I don't care that this kid was shot. He did something very stupid and he paid every bit of the consequences for it. He made a person with a real gun feel as though they had to protect and defend themselves with said real gun. Is it not obvious what should follow here? If the kid wasn't dead, that cop should be at the range practicing for hours to make sure the next time someone points a gun at him, that f***er is down permanently.





Seat belts are to protect you from the other people that hit you, and the people that may be with you in your car.
Drinking and driving laws are there to protect other functioning members of society from some dumbass doing 50 while hammered.
Laws that prevent you from making crack keep you from inevitably ruining someone else's life with drugs.
Abortion affects that little living thing in the mother when it is fed crap that kills it.

If you want to go commit suicide by cop with a fake gun, knock yourself out. The only person that physically affects is you. I may go over and console the officer because because of the mental toll of taking a human life, but you are the only person in any danger when you point a fake gun at an armed cop. I don't really f***ing care.

Don't ruin my fun because you decided to make that life choice.

[vibora]

My bad; double post. Stupid intranetz.

[God]

Frankly, I don't care that this kid was shot. He did something very stupid and he paid every bit of the consequences for it. He made a person with a real gun feel as though they had to protect and defend themselves with said real gun. Is it not obvious what should follow here? If the kid wasn't dead, that cop should be at the range practicing for hours to make sure the next time someone points a gun at him, that f***er is down permanently.

This.
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What would be the point of having a real gun painted orange? Threaten some, have them laugh, BANG!, "shoulda listened!"...?

[Regular Guy]

i could care less if this whole hobby takes flying leap off a cliff. fu.ck airsoft. its had its run.


ill still play till the wheels fal off, because i dont know where else you can shoot someone, then have a beer with them afterwards...



when this fad does take a nose dive ill switch to some real steel shooting sports like 3 gun or small bore sillouette, or something else.



only a matter of time and a few retards to ruin/spoil this sport/hobby for us all.



have a backup plan.

Great minds think alike. I'm with you.

[Wisenheimer]

If you want to go commit suicide by cop with a fake gun, knock yourself out. The only person that physically affects is you.

This statement is totally, outrageously wrong. Even if the idiot has no family, there is indeed a physical affect to at the very least one person. The cop who shot the fool. You said in your next sentence that you would console the officer for having to take a life, which contradicts your first statement, and also shows that you yourself would be affected enough to do something compassionate. To think that nobody else is affected by suicide by cop in any fashion does a disservice to our men and women of Law Enforcement. And yourself.

Here's a true story.

Once upon a time my family owned a security service with armed guards. One night at a supermarket where we had an armed guard, a man tried to buy a 12 pack of beer after 2am (in Cali it's illegal to sell alcohol after 2am). The guy went ballistic. He beat the checker to the ground with his fists. The guard took out his baton and tried to subdue the man, but the guy just grabbed the baton out of the guards hands and beat him to the ground with it. Then he started in on the downed checker with the baton. The guard got up, pulled his firearm and told the guy to stop. He stopped alright. Stopped and turned back to the guard and started walking towards him. The guard told him if he took 2 more steps he'd fire his weapon. The guy took 2 more steps. Bam. Dropped him with a single shot right between the eyes.

After an investigation by the LAPD, this guard was given a ceremony and a citation for his heroic effort. He was considered a hero. However, to this day, he is burdened by this grief. To have to kill a person over something so terribly lame is not something to be dismissed. Don't underestimate the psychosomatic power of grief. Sure, he did the right thing. He followed what is truly a generous course of action in the situation he was in. He's a good man. That does not mean the does not carry this weight. Forever.

Just keep that in mind when some knucklehead decides he's gonna let somebody else do a deed that they themselves are too cute kitty to do, they hurt everyone involved. Not just the fool, but the trigger puller, the witnesses, family, friends, etc. Hell, even little old ladies watching the news get affected.

[lilwil]

True story... if killing someone is going to bother you, do not be a cop, security guard, in the military, a doctor, et cetera. It is his fault for letting this affect him adversely. The reason it is sticking with him is because he believes killing someone is wrong.

If you do not wear a seatbelt, your taking your chances with death. There does not need to be a law wasting tax dollars enforcing it.

Drunk driving laws do not stop people stupid enough to drink and drive. Once again, waste of tax dollars.

Laws against drugs... well they simply do not work. That, and they create cash flow that is untaxed and unaccounted for, along with firearms sales, and it gives reasons for people to have to shoot cops.

A lot of laws do not make any sense if you actually look at them, and many of them cause more harm than good. While the seat belt law may look innocent enough, and well intentioned, the problem is it then set the bar that the government has to protect you from other people. Here is an idea... scrap the laws and use common sense.

Editsauce: Mark, abortions are legal in this state for any reason. Not sure why you would think they weren't.

[Dr. Starch]

I think either not allowing people under 18 to operate airsoft guns or having the dual colors is the way to go for those under 18.
If you are not allowed to own a firearm until 18 (21 for pistols here in WA, not sure about other states or if thats a fed. law) why should you be able to use replica that is made to look real? How should the responsibility be different?
I would have no problem with retailers selling dual-colored (black/X) replicas that can later be repainted or parts replaced.

[lilwil]

Frankly, I don't care that this kid was shot. He did something very stupid and he paid every bit of the consequences for it. He made a person with a real gun feel as though they had to protect and defend themselves with said real gun. Is it not obvious what should follow here? If the kid wasn't dead, that cop should be at the range practicing for hours to make sure the next time someone points a gun at him, that f***er is down permanently.

This.
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What would be the point of having a real gun painted orange? Threaten some, have them laugh, BANG!, "shoulda listened!"...?

The point is hesitation. Whoever gets the first shot off has an advantage... buy a few more seconds from the cop/security guard going why is he pointing a toy at me? and you have the equivalent of a cheap shot. In california there was a string of robberies where the robbers would put "quiet on the set" signs outside of the door, in order to confuse passerbys who heard the shots and otherwise would call 911. When it comes to life or death situations your best friend is deception.

[DJ]

What it all boils down to, ( as previously stated here by many) is that because of the actions of a few lacking judgement. The well intentioned electorate has decided what is in the best interest of everyone else. The facts truly do not matter.......This is needed "FOR THE WELFARE OF ALL". if you have not read the link to the CA bill, please do. Do not read after having eaten a meal, It will make you gag.
To those of you in OR & WA, beware, both legislative bodies love to play follow the leader with CA (lemmings).

What can we all do? Well for starters be responsible. Do not display your AS guns in public , keep them cased up, and for sure do not carry them in your glove box or under car seats. If you see a kid (or adult for that matter) doing something that is likely to cause public alarm ( disorderly conduct in OR) gently redirect them. Being a flamer is going to result in nothing but disdain, and will ultimately result in similar laws being passed in our jurisdiction.

[Mini-Marine]

Anybody who isn't adversely affected by having to kill another human being has some severe mental issues.

Would I kill someone if they broke into my home and endangered my life? shazaam yes, without hesitation. Would I need counseling afterwards? Probably.

Cops sure as hell are affected when they have to shoot someone as are soldiers. There is a reason that PTSD is such an issue.

When your life is actually in danger, it helps mitigate things considerably, but when it turns out the person you shot had a toy gun(suicide by cop or plain stupidity), or it was a 12 year old kid coming at you with an AK(children forced to fight) that shit can mess with your head.

As far as seatbelt laws, that's a situation where you are only endangering yourself, drunk driving on the other hand, you are putting others at risk with your stupidity.

On drugs, we've had a nice long thread on that, and I think they should be legal. If you want to shazaam yourself up more power to you, as soon as you start affecting others with your actions, that is where the law needs to put boundaries.

[lilwil]

The thought that killing someone is bad is an environmental view. It in no way demands there is severe mental issues. In most cases in our society where someone kills someone without remorse there are mental issues present, but that does not mean everyone who has killed has those issues. Stereotyping is bad, mmmkay?

[Mini-Marine]

You're right, there is nothing inherently wrong with taking a human life.

When my neighbor, who had to shoot some 12 year old kids during the first Gulf War he should have felt just fine about it because if he hadn't, they would have shot him.

Who cares that they were kids, and were forced to go out against trained soldiers and face near certain death because if they refused they faced completely certain death.

Nah, it's just societal that we think killing is wrong, that isn't something that has been hardwired into our brains through evolution.

[Wisenheimer]

severe mental issues

You need a shrink.

[renotheturk02]

True story... if killing someone is going to bother you, do not be a cop, security guard, in the military, a doctor, et cetera. It is his fault for letting this affect him adversely. The reason it is sticking with him is because he believes killing someone is wrong.

If you do not wear a seatbelt, your taking your chances with death. There does not need to be a law wasting tax dollars enforcing it.

Drunk driving laws do not stop people stupid enough to drink and drive. Once again, waste of tax dollars.

Laws against drugs... well they simply do not work. That, and they create cash flow that is untaxed and unaccounted for, along with firearms sales, and it gives reasons for people to have to shoot cops.

A lot of laws do not make any sense if you actually look at them, and many of them cause more harm than good. While the seat belt law may look innocent enough, and well intentioned, the problem is it then set the bar that the government has to protect you from other people. Here is an idea... scrap the laws and use common sense.

Editsauce: Mark, abortions are legal in this state for any reason. Not sure why you would think they weren't.

Law enforcement isn't about eliminating crime, its about containing it. Killing anyone will have adverse effects on the person who had to pull the trigger, physiologically and financially (they will be sued, and even if they win they will spent a large sum for their defense). A majority of laws make sense, you just have to take the time to understand them, look at the cases that built those laws and it makes perfect sense. Some laws come out to be less effective than others. Drug dealers are not armed to shoot cops, most dealers will not fire on cops, the guns are there to protect themselves from other dealers and junkies. Drug laws work very well, do you suggest we legalize meth and other schedule 1 drugs? Drunk driving laws are very effective, The idea is not to stop all drunk driving, but to contain the damage done. The money you spend to pay for 1 incident of drunk driving is money not spent out at the bar to continue drinking and driving, if only for one day.

[Chefzilla]

You're right, there is nothing inherently wrong with taking a human life.

When my neighbor, who had to shoot some 12 year old kids during the first Gulf War he should have felt just fine about it because if he hadn't, they would have shot him.

Who cares that they were kids, and were forced to go out against trained soldiers and face near certain death because if they refused they faced completely certain death.

Nah, it's just societal that we think killing is wrong, that isn't something that has been hardwired into our brains through evolution.

It's not societal. Killing is emotional and psychological. Yes, in circumstances it's justifiable and even acceptable but the taking of another life will always affect you, unless you're a sociopath.