League Membership / Card Voucher System

[Matt]

A lot of people seem to be interested in a voucher system for minors and a way to avoid a gaggle of cheaters from attending games. My question is, what do you guys think is the best way to manage this?

I'm curious - if you guys want a better way to filter out the rif-raf - how would you want to set it up? How do we keep it fair and unbiased for everybody?

[Jester316]

My next game will be 18 and over. For those who want to attend and are under the age, a known and respected member of the community (who is also over 18.) must sign a paper saying they are the "guardian" for that person. All of their actions will be reflected upon that person. Should the underage shazaam up, he will be black listed from my events for a predetermined amount of time based on the shazaam up. The voucher will loose their vouching privlidges for a predetermined amount of time also, and possibly even black listed for a time based on the reason for the underage black list.

We need to raise the quality of players in this community, and by punishing both those who cheat, and those responsible for the cheaters, I feel that the community will be a better place.

[El Diablo]

I like this whole plan, it seems like a great idea! But I can see some kids who can't get sponsored or who get blacklisted start bitching and make a huge deal about it! But with every great idea some problems are to occur I guess..

And how would you get someone to sponsor you? Would you just ask? Or do they have to pick you?

[Jester316]

I like this whole plan, it seems like a great idea! But I can see some kids who can't get sponsored or who get blacklisted start bitching and make a huge deal about it! But with every great idea some problems are to occur I guess..

And how would you get someone to sponsor you? Would you just ask? Or do they have to pick you?

I don't care if people start bitching. They are they people who can't get sponsors and would probably shazaam up the game anyways. This community will continue to fill with hackers and undesireables unless we take a proactive stance.

The way I see it working, is that someone under 16 asks someone they know is respected in the community to vouch for them. That person than asks the game host if they are good to bring the person. At the field, both the sponsor and the underage will sign contracts stating that should any unwanted behavior occur, they will face consequences.

[El Diablo]

I like this whole plan, it seems like a great idea! But I can see some kids who can't get sponsored or who get blacklisted start bitching and make a huge deal about it! But with every great idea some problems are to occur I guess..

And how would you get someone to sponsor you? Would you just ask? Or do they have to pick you?

I don't care if people start bitching. They are they people who can't get sponsors and would probably f**k up the game anyways. This community will continue to fill with hackers and undesireables unless we take a proactive stance.

The way I see it working, is that someone under 16 asks someone they know is respected in the community to vouch for them. That person than asks the game host if they are good to bring the person. At the field, both the sponsor and the underage will sign contracts stating that should any unwanted behavior occur, they will face consequences.

One more question. Do you have to be sponsored every single time? Or is a one time and your good?

[Tactical Church]

Jester that seems like a great plan but i am also interested in hearing your ideas to deal with over 16 year old hackers?

Also just a note to the community

I think there should be more training opportunities for new players and even veteran players. It might just be me coming back into the sport this fall but I think alot of players would benefit from more training

This could cover sniper appropriate distance to fire, calling hits, rules that must be followed for all players, and so on.

It took myself a few games to completely understand all the rules and how to have good sportsmanship in this game. I just figure others could benifit from us taking them under our wing and helping them rather than just telling them that they suck and should jump off a cliff.

[Juicemachine]

At the field, both the sponsor and the underage will sign contracts stating that should any unwanted behavior occur, they will face consequences.

I love your idea, for serious, and I think it'd help to cut down on cheating, but I have a few things to add.


1. The underage person can't sign a legally binding agreement and have it stick, their parents must sign the document.

2. I've seen plenty of people who are 18+ hack. If you want this to work, you have to make it fair, and hold over-18 players to the same standard as under-18 players, as far as blacklisting, etc..

[[HARPER]]

The idea sounds great. I have been thinking of a plan to work on the younger groups. CAQ or PLA (i dont know) Have their training days, but it dosent cover how the soldiers should behave at the games. I have talked to new players and it all sounds the same. They dont really know what they are doing and are watching the older players for advice. So i thought of having a semi game were we have the experienced take out the GREEN troops in 6 to 12 sized squads and teach them the ropes. They all sign their name down and by the end of the day the leaders of each group wright down if they are a...

Good soldier
OK, but needs work
Needs to have someone with them
Bad soldier

Its an idea i have been thinking of doing around march.

[Riddick]

Maybe what we should do instead of punishing underage players because the issue comes from both sides, we should start requiring a level system via a card.

everyone has a player card, didn't bring it, you dont get in.

For every "ranked" skirmish or "ranked" event they attend they get a point. So many points they rank up to a level. Say 5 points is level 1.

the ranking can come via approved members of the community that hosts games. so that way joe kid with backyard springerwarz cannot have it count.

skirmished and events could have mandatory point levels. Say the "___" event has a level 1 listing. that means everyone that attends must have card present and it be at level 1 or higher.

if they get caught cheating - they start over. if they lose the card they start over.

This way we are grading the player by experiance and not by age.

It has some steps to this but it's a thought

[Tactical Church]

Maybe what we should do instead of punishing underage players because the issue comes from both sides, we should start requiring a level system via a card.

everyone has a player card, didn't bring it, you dont get in.

For every "ranked" skirmish or "ranked" event they attend they get a point. So many points they rank up to a level. Say 5 points is level 1.

the ranking can come via approved members of the community that hosts games. so that way joe kid with backyard springerwarz cannot have it count.

skirmished and events could have mandatory point levels. Say the "___" event has a level 1 listing. that means everyone that attends must have card present and it be at level 1 or higher.

if they get caught cheating - they start over. if they lose the card they start over.

This way we are grading the player by experiance and not by age.

It has some steps to this but it's a thought

I really like this idea and i think we should really run with it. I as well as most people here dont want to be judged by our age but by skill and how we play the game.

Id be happy to help in any way i can to get this idea on its way.

[El Diablo]

Maybe what we should do instead of punishing underage players because the issue comes from both sides, we should start requiring a level system via a card.

everyone has a player card, didn't bring it, you dont get in.

For every "ranked" skirmish or "ranked" event they attend they get a point. So many points they rank up to a level. Say 5 points is level 1.

the ranking can come via approved members of the community that hosts games. so that way joe kid with backyard springerwarz cannot have it count.

skirmished and events could have mandatory point levels. Say the "___" event has a level 1 listing. that means everyone that attends must have card present and it be at level 1 or higher.

if they get caught cheating - they start over. if they lose the card they start over.

This way we are grading the player by experiance and not by age.

It has some steps to this but it's a thought

For people who are already established are you letting them start at higher levels or does everyone start as 0?

[Merchant]

Maybe what we should do instead of punishing underage players because the issue comes from both sides, we should start requiring a level system via a card.

everyone has a player card, didn't bring it, you dont get in.

For every "ranked" skirmish or "ranked" event they attend they get a point. So many points they rank up to a level. Say 5 points is level 1.

the ranking can come via approved members of the community that hosts games. so that way joe kid with backyard springerwarz cannot have it count.

skirmished and events could have mandatory point levels. Say the "___" event has a level 1 listing. that means everyone that attends must have card present and it be at level 1 or higher.

if they get caught cheating - they start over. if they lose the card they start over.

This way we are grading the player by experience and not by age.

It has some steps to this but it's a thought

Its a good thought, but it presents a few problems. Specifically I'm thinking of the cards themselves. You have to create a card that isn't able to be counterfeited. So the first thing that pops into my head is something like a credit card that has a magnetic strip thing. Like something a gym would use for a membership. Only problem here is that you have to have someone pay for the scanner, and you have to work out when/where/how you will have people up the rank of the card. (say ship it to the person who is in charge of the whole operation, then they up the ranking and mail it back to the owner?)

Another problem when you go with this rout is that you are leaning towards a community with order and a more elitist community. While not necessarily a bad thing, you may need some sort of funding. It will also put off new players (which maybe what you are going for, unless airsoft is something they really want to be a part of)

Yay word wall!

[Riddick]

Maybe what we should do instead of punishing underage players because the issue comes from both sides, we should start requiring a level system via a card.

everyone has a player card, didn't bring it, you dont get in.

For every "ranked" skirmish or "ranked" event they attend they get a point. So many points they rank up to a level. Say 5 points is level 1.

the ranking can come via approved members of the community that hosts games. so that way joe kid with backyard springerwarz cannot have it count.

skirmished and events could have mandatory point levels. Say the "___" event has a level 1 listing. that means everyone that attends must have card present and it be at level 1 or higher.

if they get caught cheating - they start over. if they lose the card they start over.

This way we are grading the player by experiance and not by age.

It has some steps to this but it's a thought

For people who are already established are you letting them start at higher levels or does everyone start as 0?

everyone starts at zero and we allow a specific period of time to elapse to build up the points. then after a certain time say 2+ months event hosts begin requiring it at events or skirms if they choose.

the real driving catalyst here is the event hosts being on board with idea and working together to maintain it.

[Tactical Church]

For people who are already established are you letting them start at higher levels or does everyone start as 0?

To give me two cents again. I for one have noticed there are a good amount of respected players in this community that i would have no problem allowing them higher levels

but i would think it would be best if the majority of players would all start at zero

[[HARPER]]

Go with making your own stamp like at a coffee place. Its very easy, you make your own design so if they try to counterfeit it they would actually need to create the stamp and you cant make an exact copy which in term would be easy to spot the fake.