Sniper training and qualification

[Vidar]

Would anyone of you all be interested in that type of event? Only the top 3 finishers win a prize and it will definitely be an interesting "event" to participate in.

I would be at this event.

[Eyes On]

I swear, if there was one less Youngblood posting common sense in this thread there'd have been monkeys all up in this mothafucka.

[Pope_Alex_Kaeda_I]

If I was a moderator, I'd go and remove a youngblood post right this instant just to get Gunny to post monkeys.

[Eyes On]

[Seagreen]

/re hijacked

The concept of quals has been dealt with locally a long time ago. I think what the boys to the north are doing is a great idea. Safety should be a common sense factor. They are taking positive steps to at least promote safety.

It would be several lanes guys. Not just stalking.

[Mack]

Also, here a few years ago BSP put together a Scout Sniper Competition...it was a fun event that definitely showcased players strengths and weaknesses in the Scout Sniper role. I have been building a lane tasking for this type of event again, but I'm still looking for the right place to do it. Would anyone of you all be interested in that type of event? Only the top 3 finishers win a prize and it will definitely be an interesting "event" to participate in.

I'd do it all again in a heartbeat! Enough lead time and a plane ticket I'll be there.

[KA-BAR]

would be great to see you again mack.

[Seagreen]

Heck yeah Mack. It'd be great to hang out with you again.

[Nark]

I think in a game that tries to promote realism that the proposed training is an excellent idea, in order to peel kids away from the screen of Modern Warfare where sniping has little skill required and thus they believe that they can do it in real life, people who have been snipers either in the military or police should offer their 2 cents on this type of training.

[Steve]

Military snipers engage from ranges far outside the effective range of airsoft platforms.

Law enforcement snipers engage from a much closer distance, but do not, generally, have to stalk to their target or use nearly as much camoflage. I.e., LE snipers tend to wear the same duty uniform as assaulters, minus the heavier bits of armor, set up in an elevated position, and provide eyes on target for the assault rather than being the primary threat elimination element on the ground.

Make no mistake, I have a shit-ton of respect for the members of the American Sniper Association.

I think airsoft 'snipers' are f****** ridiculous. Do as much training as you want, require as many certifications as possible. The only thing that makes airsoft bolt platforms competitive is the increased FPS when compared to the same shooter, in the same camo, with the same skillset, but using a semiauto or select-fire platform.

If we as a community really wanted to control newbs with sniper rifles, we'd simply require that all weapons on the field chrono at 400 FPS or less. The folks with good woodscraft would still be able to engage without being observed, and the children would get lit up by folks with full auto platforms until they either learned tradecraft or transitioned to a rifleman role and showed up with an AEG.

It is airsoft. I'd rather see a bunch of DMs on the field rather than snipers. DMs make much more sense in terms of range, accuracy, and the penchant to work as part of a team rather than stalking around te battlefield. Until somebody can reliably make a center of mass shot with a pellet from 1500+ meters away withut breaking chrono, they really aren't even close to simulating a military sniper.

[Nark]

yeah I see your point, snipers aren't really a practical designation for airsoft and DM is definitely more practical, but I feel the appeal of being able say that you snipe people, even though you're not really a sniper in any degree, is what draws most newbs to wanting to be a sniper. Personally if I had to help with a sniper position I'd want to be n the spotter position with an AEG instead of semi or bolt platform.

[Cap n pickles]

Having Gotten shot now with a bolt less than 40 feet away.. Both in the Cheek and nose. I support this in full.

I mean, its hard for me to tell if its a bolt, i role up on my cover, poke my head out, BAM! 40 feet away is a sniper.... *sigh

Derp

[Matt]

Steve, I'd have to disagree with you. While I do agree that there are plenty of idiots out there who have no business calling themselves snipers, I have seen plenty of snipers effectively used as force multipliers on the field and I've seen many OPs won from that effective use.

Comparing the range of sniper rifles in Airsoft to real steel is beside the point. All guns in Airsoft have a decreased range. However, in relation to each other their ranges are balanced. A well tuned 400 fps AEG? 125 feet if you are lucky. A well tuned sniper rifle? 80-100 yards. Twice the range.

I've been in situations where entire platoons cowered down and we were able to completely roll them up because our sniper was pinning them down. I've been in situations where our scout sniper is 10 feet away from the enemy commander relaying every command and movement order for the enemy side. I've been in situations where the enemy had us outgunned with SAWs, only to have their SAW gunners taken out by our snipers. These things change the outcome of a battle. They change the dynamics of the game.

If you think Airsoft snipers are bleeding ridiculous, I will tell you that you still haven't met one. 99% of the kids out there have no idea what they are doing and they offer no useful help to the teams they are on. I will give you that, but there's something to be said about an incredible scout sniper with an incredible rifle who knows his role.

[KA-BAR]

wow such praise showered upong the lonely soul in a bush suit.

there are a few who know exactly what they are doing.

Seagreen
Gunny ( i dont see you doing the airsoft this, but we all know the real truths!)
amos
KA-BAR
Taylor ( EATF sniper)
Mack
Nox
Mau
Cberan
Vaugn
the GnG snipers.




anyone not listed, chances are they are a punk a$$ kid in a store bought ghillie and a serioius lack of depth preception and distance estimation skills.

[Matt]

anyone not listed, chances are they are a punk a$$ kid in a store bought ghillie and a serioius lack of depth preception and distance estimation skills.

Don't forget communication. When a scout sniper can post up somewhere and relay intel on where the enemy is and where they are going, it can be a game changer. They can do that without even firing a shot.