Why are people hatin' on hicaps?

[~Thunder~]

And the winning post is...

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Caffeine & Rage!

I have an opinion. My opinion differs slightly from some of the stated opinions, but I very much agree with one person, whom I will quote here.

My opinion is my opinion and it's more righter for me than yourer opinion is! I'm so right

Also, I wholly disagree with all of what some of you said, and some of what most of you said, so I'll quote someone here:

I wish it were all like I want it

This is so wrong. It can't be like this because what I think is always right in all situations.

I hope I've made myself clear.

[tingsoon1]

<3 Silent Midcaps are Silent

[LiquidSnak]

Because they want to, and because they can, they do.

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[Zeta Crossfire]

I was just about to lock this for excessive quotes, but zeta broke the chain.

I'm glad It's not getting locked (yet) I've been on AP for a little over a year and this High cap topic keeping popping up and it gets locked a few pages in. Would like to see this topic play out for a bit longer. Unless it turns ugly...

That's why it always gets locked because it always comes up. It's mostly just opinion and personal preference.

If you didn't have rules people would complain about that. Too many rules, people complain about that. If the game was exactly what they wanted to do. They'd probably complain about it being on a Saturday instead of a Sunday.

Ah I get it now. I see what this thread is going to turn into. Opinion fights never do end well.

[Mattman154]

Just skip the middle step and go right to realcaps. MOAR MILSIM YEAAAAA!

[G36 FTW]

Just skip the middle step and go right to realcaps. MOAR MILSIM YEAAAAA!

Or the gbbr

[Partiro]

The thing about midcaps is it takes a hell of a lot longer to reload than hicaps.. Hicaps you dump some bb's in and wind it... Midcaps you take a speed reloader and start punching away with the risk of some dude nailing you. This minimizes the use of them as a saw because once you run out you really are screwed..

[Snowman]

That's why you carry more than one mid.

[Jewish Ninja]

Or get one of those electric mag loaders.

Then stick it in your pants and when you need to reload, put the mag in your pants and fill it back up



That being said, hicaps have their place, but milsim is not that place.

[sounguru]

Now Box mags are a whole different ball of wax so we will leave those out. Also we are gonna leave self winding mags out since they are way up there in price and are not commonly seen.

And I will give the rattle factor to the high caps and the realism to the real cappers... but the rest does not add up.

I'm going to use my gun as a base line so things stay fair....

I have a G36k where the base Hi cap mag is 470 rounds and the base Mid cap mag is 100 to 140 rounds. We will use the 100 round for my explanation.

So the biggest 2 arguments I have heard against Hi Caps is:
#1 People who have them just spray and pray
#2 It isn't realistic

So let's kill #2 with a shot thru the head right away. The standard amount of rounds in a battle rifle today is 30 so right there that throw the whole realism thing right out the window. So taking a standard load out as far as I have been able to find of a Marine is 8 mags plus we will give him one in the gun and one piggy backed to that (10 total). So at 30 rounds each that is 300 rounds, way less than the same # of mid caps for airsoft which gives the player 1000. Not very realistic no matter how you look at it ...

Now let's look at #1 and kill it easily too. People say that if you have Hi caps you just spray and pray where I find that to be quite the opposite. Mid caps do not have to be wound so you can unload all 100 rounds with one pull of the trigger if you want. With a hi cap after about 30 rounds you have to wind it back up or you are just shooting little balls of air that have no effect on anyone. (which going back to the realism thing actually simulates a mag running out better than 100 shots down field then having to reload)

It takes me roughly about 2 to 3 seconds to fully wind a hi cap mag back up (at which time I'm behind cover) and roughly the same amount of time to drop a mag and grab one from a vest and slam it home. If I have the mags piggybacked it is even quicker because I can just shift over to the next mag in less than a second. So in that light a Hi cap actually takes longer to unload 100 rounds than it does from a mid cap.

Let's look at the # shooting 15 RPS for 100 rounds

Hi Cap - 30 rounds 2 second wind 30 rounds 2 second wind 30 rounds 2 second wind 10 rounds = 12.75 seconds
Mid Cap - 100 rounds one pull of the trigger 6.7 seconds

So with those numbers I can safely say that you can spray and pray easier with mid caps than you can with Hi caps. So even adding the reload time in for the mid caps you will still be able to send 450+ rounds down field with a mid cap much quicker than you can with a hi cap.

Now let's look at some of the players I have seen on our own fields that are fully loaded with 3 double mag pouches per side of the vest and 2 attached to the gun. That is a total of 14 mid caps or 1400 rounds of ammo compared to my 1410 I'm carrying in 3 high caps. Now this is also the guy I see most often in respawn/behind a tree either reloading all his mags or at least a good portion of them.

So saying that you are more conservative than that and you only carry 8 mid caps and in a 4 hour game you use up roughly 3/4 of those that is roughly 600-650 rounds you sent down field. In an average 4 hour game I have yet to go thru more than 1.5 of my hi caps so I have sent only about 705 rounds down field not even taking into account the 30 or so that are still in the empty mag because the hi cap does not push them all thru. So deducting that 30 rounds guess what we are almost equal in the # of rounds... Hmmmmm go figure.

So the whole Hi cappers are just spray and play players doesn't hold water either...

Now it is up to you to choose which you will use but I personally prefer Hi caps because with the G36 Mag I can have 3 comfortably attached together and loaded on the gun. This means I'm not weighted down by a vest or a bunch of metal boxes holding roughly the same # of rounds attached to my body. It means I can move quicker and easier and for a fat old dude that is a real plus.

This whole debate is just another Ford VS Obama Motors thing and really just depends more on what you like to do than if there is a real difference.

[slipstream]

CYLONS!!!

[JD_Shadow1]

sounguru said, "With a hi cap after about 30 rounds you have to wind it back up or you are just shooting little balls of air that have no effect on anyone."

A single full wind should empty the entire mag, or at the very least half of it. If your way of using a mag is like you have stated then by all means that is an excellent use of a high cap mag to achieve a more milsim standard. However the fact is most who use high caps wind their mags to the full extent and in fact spray and pray the entirety of the 300+ rounds at their disposal.

[Matt]

What hi-cap are you using that you have to wind after every 30 rounds? Most of the hi-caps I have used can pretty much fire most of the magazine's capacity on just one wind.

[sounguru]

What hi-cap are you using that you have to wind after every 30 rounds? Most of the hi-caps I have used can pretty much fire most of the magazine's capacity on just one wind.

The standard ones that came with the gun (JG). I have tried to get it to fire more and there maybe some mags out there that will empty on a wind but mine defiantly will not. That is on all 3 by the way could be a design thing and just these mags have this feature. Yes I'm fully winding them and I have a friend with the same gun same thing on his mags too. I think the most I have ever gotten out on a full wind was 50 but 30 is more the average.

I think mostly it comes down to a mind set of how people play more than it does what mags they are using. I think a better mind set for event organizers is to limit the # of rounds carried before having to return to base or respawn to reload. So as an event planner I would say no more than 1000 rounds can be carried by anyone. That would give the Hi capper 2 mags and the mid capper 10 (based on the 100 round mag). So if the High capper unloads until empty then he will spend a lot more time trudging back and forth to reload than the mid cappers which in itself is annoying and will usually curb that type of play.

[LiquidSnak]

Why is there discussion or debate on the topic of which is better? The question was:
Why are people "hatin" on hi-caps?

The answer is:
Because they can. This thread is pointless and should now be over.