An Open Letter to Terror Management

[Doss]

But, was the overall experience of the event hurt? If there was another Ash Bash, would people still go? If this hadn't been brought out, would SOTA's reputation regarding their events be hurt? I wasn't at the event. I'm not affiliated with either group. I don't know for sure how this all came aout. Kind of like most people here, all the knowledge of this is second hand. Stories get skewed on purpose or by mistake so...

Poorly written contracts aren't wise to sign, as has been stated. IMO, if you have questions over a contract, don't sign it till those questions are answered, Because once you do, you're bound to it.

[Painless]

Steve is taking the blunt of the comments for our contract. Let’s start from the beginning when I not Steve was contacted about SOTA using the field I specifically stated are you going to be selling any items on the field ASH said no, Are their going to be any venders ASH again said no. OK we have some items we are going to be sell.
After that conversation I sent ASH the contract (I created the contract not Steve) that was on January 29th 2010 at 2:06pm. That was over two months ago long enough to read the contract fully and address any concerns.

A 8 days before the game I noticed that Airsoft Ammo Supply would be selling bb's I contacted ASH immediately and voiced my concerns with the sales of bb's by Airsoft Ammo Supply he was afraid that if he did not let Riddick sell bbs he would not give him the raffle items namely the tactical slings. I said we like SOTA we have friends on the team if you are afraid that Riddick will pull out we will give you a some items to raffle so everyone is happy so let me list them for you, case and a half of ECHO 2 bb's that’s .25 bbs at a wholesale price of $9.50 a bag 28 bag , a mini 9.6 battery a shotgun sleeve to hold extra shells, and a tactical sling. So for those of you who said we are out to only make money think again.

ASH was still concerned we said like it states in line 13,14 the key word is promoter that would be SOTA can sell items and we waived the 10% fee for SOTA so that’s $10.00 bucks for every hundred dollars sold to keep it simple, WOW. And yes there is a camping fee which was waved for SOTA. I told mike if Riddick wants to be a sponsor that’s no the issue the issue is Riddick selling the bbs. (side note Which of course if you read the contract you would no have even asked). I told ASH if SOTA wants to buy bb's and sell them for what they want no issues like it says in line 13,14 the promoter can sell items. ASH agreed and Riddick would only be a sponsor not a vender.

The day of the event I show up and guess who is standing behind the ammo for sale sign Riddick no more than 5 days prior ASH agreed he would not be selling bb's because we were going to.....

I asked ASH so what’s with Riddick selling bb's ASH said he is selling them for us I said so you did not pay for them. ASH said he is selling them for cost let me say again for cost. So if you paid the price posted on the board you paid to much.

So I guess that ASH did not tell you the whole story about what he agreed to before posting this thread. I think ASH owes you and the team an appology for not disclosing all the information and what he agreed to.

And still waiting for the sale recipts for the bb's sold.

We are getting blasted for being greedy I differ. Everyone wants a really cool place to play with buildings, cars and all other stuff. Everyone forgets that takes money to build the buildings, pay property taxes and insurance.
If Airsoft players want that all that cool stuff a profit has to be made. No no one wants to be on a airsoft field. Ask your self this how many airsoft only fields are there that are legal PTOC could not support it self with only airsoft, ABT it was shut down by the county, now the only one is the Ivans place and is it operating with in the counts guidelines not my concern.

Take away from this what you want.

[KA-BAR]

Everyone wants a really cool place to play with buildings, cars and all other stuff. Everyone forgets that takes money to build the buildings, pay property taxes and insurance.

painless didnt warpaint build that field infact? the owner named derek? you never owned a field man? what are you talking about? what money did you spend to build that field? propperty taxes?


show us some recipts that you own that place and ill shut the shazaam up right now.

[wake.joe]

Everyone wants a really cool place to play with buildings, cars and all other stuff. Everyone forgets that takes money to build the buildings, pay property taxes and insurance.

painless didnt warpaint build that field infact? the owner named derek? you never owned a field man? what are you talking about? what money did you spend to build that field? propperty taxes?


show us some recipts that you own that place and ill shut the f**k up right now.

This would make more sense if T1T kept all the money...

[chapped]

So what exactly does/did T1T do to "earn" their cut?

[LiquidSnak]

Apparently go collect the cash.

[Doss]

Well if nothing else, made a contract and stated in said contract that they were owed money.

[Matt]

Regardless of how much something costs or who owns what, teams and people running events are going to look for the lowest price. Period. It's nothing personal, we just want to pass along the savings to everyone else. Why deal with a middleman if we don't have to? I think this is the same point Brandon is trying to make. According to management of the field, nobody had to go through T1T at all, despite what you guys say here on AP.

I've never charged anybody for use of a field I don't own. If you are a trustworthy person, I'll give you all of my field contacts and you can host as many events as you want. I don't care. I hope your event is a success so I can go enjoy it. The field doesn't make the event a success, good planning & execution make a successful event. So many people like to hoard ideas and connections and I don't honestly understand why. Is it a trust issue?

If your event sucks and has a poor turnout, chances are the owner of the establishment will probably start ignoring your phone calls and start working with people who put on quality events. It's survival of the fittest, not survival of the first. If you put on quality events, leave a playfield cleaned up and nice when you are done, follow all established rules, then you have nothing to worry about - right?

Competition is a good thing, it keeps us on our toes.

[Bad Karma]

We are getting blasted for being greedy I differ. Everyone wants a really cool place to play with buildings, cars and all other stuff. Everyone forgets that takes money to build the buildings, pay property taxes and insurance.

Which is exactly why all of my future business with the Warpaint field will be directly through the field owner. So instead of getting only $700, after T1T gets it's 50% cut, Warpaint will get all $1400 for investments into the field. Because, as far as I'm aware, T1T has not been responsible for any of the construction or cleanup that has taken place at the Warpaint field. Please correct me on this if that is not the case.

[albacore]

If needed I would like to contribute to the $8 that T1T is "owed".

This is one of the best public beat downs I've seen of someone trying to bully their way into $8 and completely fall on their face and be exposed for what they really are and now possibly lose thousands of dollars. From reading the other thread Warpaint seems to be a very stand up operation and wasn't aware of some of the shenanigans that were going on and are now encouraging promoters do deal with them directly.

Good luck T1T with all future endeavors.

[BaldEagle]

As stupid as I think this whole thing is... If it goes to small claims court (which if it does I want to know dates and times because this is just great and laughable, aside from the negative publicity it puts on the sport of airsoft) it is my assessment that the judge would find the contract breached on the grounds that "the contract was signed before the day that Terror said it was 'ok' and that the definition of 'promoter' does not encompass sponsors, or sales from such."

But like I said, I think it's stupid to be huffy over this amount of money... you have probably wasted the amount of time it would take you to gain it back working for minimum wage.

Not trying to offend anybody... just sayin my mind.

ok enough real drama... *goes back to BSG.*

[Painless]

A few people are making us out a greedy people. Every game I've been to has been 30 to 40 bucks that's way over the cost of the field fee.

The fact is they signed the contract, this would not be an issue if they would have followed the contract. Ash agree to the contract and he broke it. Like BadKarma said when he kicked a guy off the field with only 15 minutes to the game ITS THE PRINCIPLE OF THE FACT why does it apply to everyone else except you. In fact Karma Steve is not the one keeping the drama going its you. Tying to make yourself look good when your in the wrong. Where is ASH he signed the contract why is he not posting any responses. Maybe he made some mistakes and failed to tell anyone about them.....

[Martin.]

Maybe he made some mistakes and failed to tell anyone about them.....

Speculation and hearsay never gets anyone anywhere

[Matt]

Alright, anything else regarding this matter can be discussed between the parties involved without dragging the whole forum into it.