a premptive strike agianst airsoft abusure

[KA-BAR]

albeit what you say is true there might be a elitest factor, but i for one am saying i would donate my time to admin for a league of younger players. i think that is the responsibility of the older players, exspecially since the youngsters would still be part of the APL, just a diffrent league. and how fun is it for some kid named joe airsofter to have some ex mil/ ex LE dude yelling at them all OP, and getting owned by older players well out of thier play range ( remeber kids i am generalizing, i know some of you have skills, put your pancakes away!).... i think you get the picture, and regardless whether or not you like it.... i gaurentee that if dantes got approached by his insurrance carrier to insist that it be 18+ league...he would cut you in a heart beat over trying to find someone else to cover the APL. so wouldnt it be better for the adults and kids within the APL to do it on our terms....cause if you wait on it....it will get done for you by the law makers and if you dont see what i am talking about comming you are living in a deliusional dream world....sorry.

done with this topic

* does a backflip off soapbox and throw hatchet at the target.......






.....BOOM HEADSHOT....HUMILLIATION!!!




KA-BAR owns you hardcore

[yandle]

and how fun is it for some kid named joe airsofter to have some ex mil/ ex LE dude yelling at them all OP

Irony.

[KA-BAR]

treefrog.....eat a fat richard plz!



KA-BAR is funny

[PanzerFaust]

What the hell are you talkin about? I've never read any after game posts concerning OP:CP, OP:B OPwhatthefuckever CQC 1-5 where younger players are saying "shit that sucked, i hated playing with the old guys, shazaam this airsoft shit, you're too 1337 for me". Everyone loves the game no matter what. those who don't already DO their own thing.
Having an AEG on the feild is an equalizer. I look at the 15-17 y/o players the same as I do my comrades. If they've got the right attitude then they've got the right to play with us. We've got an OP coming up that's broken 250 players, how many of them are under 18? I want to see this thing break 300, fukkit let's got for a 400 player OP. That puts us up and OVER John Wu's Lion Claws operations. Put the "kiddies" in a segragated league and that won't happen for a few more years at least.

And what's this about insurance providers? What insurance company in their right mind is gonna work with a huge a$$ group that runs around the woods tripping on shit and trying to shoot the hell out of eachother. Probably the same one that insures demolition derbies. That's why we have the waivers.

[yandle]

Thanks andrew for clearing that up.

[KA-BAR]

Put the "kiddies" in a segragated league and that won't happen for a few more years at least.

yea and it wont happen on our terms...it will be because some nasty legislation got passed in the light of all the bad publicity and such going on lately, and someone will be breathing down our necks TELLING US what we can and cannot do...do we really want that?



as for me bringing up the isnurance acarrier, they dont live under a rock, i am sure they watch the news, and read the papers. after more and more instances keep occuring, arent they going to make a connection, and creat restrictions upon our league in order for us to maintain coverage?

thats all, damn...bajesus.



KA-BAR out

[Bellum (Harley)]

Look man, these AP games and skirmishes are structured, safe, and not to mention a hell of alot of fun. Kids under the age of 18 come to these games, they learn that its not ok to do this stuff out in their backyards, they learn how to be responsible, and they learn valuable skills and comradely. They dont get that same experience of doing something with a larger mentality by dividing up the APL. We foster a responsible playing environment that these kids wont have if we divide and essentially block out people under the age of 18.

I began playing at 16, had an awesome time doing it. I didnt know the difference between an MP5 and G3, I didnt really know about gun safety, and I didnt know how to be a good responsible airsofter. I went to my first game and saw how these other ADULTS were acting and mimicked it. I learned all things mentioned above and a lot more and now am a responsible player and (hopefully) a respected member of the community.

If you take away the aspect of having adults who are ex-police, ex-marines, ex-army, etc. who are squared away individuals who have a lot to teach and to offer, you are denying these kids of a lot of life enriching experiences as well as making them safer on the streets.

I have personally played with an 11 year old, a 12 year old, and a 13 year old in a structured introduction with their father. It was some of the best Airsoft I have ever played, it was fun, they called their hits, and they acted more responsible than a lot of adults I have seen. Sure I think they are too young to play within the league, I feel that physically they wouldn't be able to keep up. But I also believe that by TEACHING them the proper ways to handle these guns, the proper way to behave in public with these guns, and the way to be responsible with these guns, as well as including their father and informing him that they will grow up to be responsible members of our community.

The best way to combat the growing bad light our community gets is by educating the uninformed. Like I have stated before, write your legislator or local commissioner (thats what they are there for, you are their constituents) talk to your parents or guardians, bring them to games, talk to older players and make the most of their knowledge and experience, and if you see or hear someone being irresponsible, dont rip them a new one, talk to them about it and inform them of not only our community but the proper ways to behave with these guns.

[DMitri]

i gaurentee that if dantes got approached by his insurrance carrier to insist that it be 18+ league...he would cut you in a heart beat

Uh....

You want to let him speak for himself buddy? He's a big boy.

[Seagreen]

We will not run into that issue guys. The insurance companies that will issue a policy/event coverage for our type of activities has already had the way paved by paintball.

I believe the minimum (*last information I recieved) is that a field could be covered down to 10 years of age. I originially thought it was marginally older. I was surprised.

[PanzerFaust]

And what's this about insurance providers? What insurance company in their right mind is gonna work with a huge a$$ group that runs around the woods tripping on shit and trying to shoot the hell out of eachother. Probably the same one that insures demolition derbies. That's why we have the waivers.

I stand happily corrected.