Age Limits at Games

[Nocte]

Why aren't we stepping up and teaching them how to act, speak, and play with honor. STOP THE BITCHING AND START MENTORING!!!

I play airsoft to shoot people, not babysit and mentor.

[Snowman]

if i was to make a pie chart of the hackers and people who make game play suck, i would have a 5% slice for the adults. kids fill up the rest.

that is why. because when the adults want to play we want to have fun, not deal with petty bullshit.

sorry that torques your puckered starfish beyond repair.

After hosting Holy Wars this weekend, I can say that about 80% of the People i caught Cheating were at least over 18.

Out of the problems with peoples Egos flaring on the field. It was "Adults".

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The Next holy wars MIGHT be 17+, with I.D. Anyone Under the Age of 17 will need an Invite, or have someone of age who can vouch for them.

I can understand though, when you catch the adults cheating or not calling hits, you bust and they go to respawn. The Kids tend to get pissed off, and start spouting off a bunch of crap.

Just smile and wave (Good Bye).

I'm a tad late responding to this, but I wouldn't set a limit different from what you had. I think 15+ was good, as we didn't have too many 15 years olds even show up, apart from me, Juice, Limpy (?), and one or two other guys.

Plus, getting a voucher doesn't sound fun for me... :\


In regards to games in general, I think sometimes a limit is called for, but I also think that if someone can get 2 or 3 vouchers, then they can show up. We all know that there are always those who ruin the other people's image, but don't forget that not all those people are that immature...

[G36 FTW]

I don’t know why so many of the younger crowd is trying to argue against the age limit here. You can still go to 60%+ of the games hosted here, so why bother? (Yes, I am in the crowd as well.)

The only thing I would be worried about would be if more and more games started imposing an 18+ age limit.


As for adults cheating, we have all seen it. But we all know there are way more 4 foot tall kids with m4s and two high caps running around as if they are gods, but there are a select few of us who are mature enough to run mil-sim; I see the invite only for under 18 as a great solution.

[Tombstone]

I miss Ollie Twist. Where are you, Sweet Prince?

[Jester316]

If you are butthurt about an age limit at a game. Don't go (regardless of if you are under that age limit, or just feel that everyone should be allowed).

If you want to be all inclusive, set up your own game and set whatever age limit you want. Event hosts reserve the right to exclude anyone they want, for any reason they want. Say I don't want white people to come to my game. It may be racist, it may mean I have a dramatically low turnout, it may mean I lose the respect of the community, but it is my right as an event host to do so. Stop bitching about it, and host games that are inclusive to whoever you want.

It's the same with teams. PSC has an 18+ rule. SOTA is also 18+ as I believe is APST. PLA/CAG does not choose to have an age limit. That is their choice. Some agree with it, some don't. It is their right as an organized team. If you don't like it, don't join (or attempt to join).



So, to sum up this whole thread: Age limits on games are because for some way/shape/form the host decided to exclude a certain demographic. As an event host, it is their right. If you don't like it, go to a different game or host your own. Talking about it here is about as productive as trying to change the AP FPS limits*.




*By the way, aren't we due for a thread on this again?

[Limpy]

I'm a tad late responding to this, but I wouldn't set a limit different from what you had. I think 15+ was good, as we didn't have too many 15 years olds even show up, apart from me, Juice, Limpy (?), and one or two other guys.

Heh, I am fifteen.

I am not going to contribute to this, as I have nothing to say that is helpful.

[Dinotacular]

I think that maturity should be the greater concern over age.

implyingthatsmallchildrencanbematuretoo

[MillerSA15]

Why aren't we stepping up and teaching them how to act, speak, and play with honor. STOP THE BITCHING AND START MENTORING!!!

I play airsoft to shoot people, not babysit and mentor.

I think this is an inherent problem in any community, there are those that simply want to do their own thing, and not do anything to advance the sport.

Please note Nocte, I am not bashing you, it is something we have all done from time to time, we just want to reap the benefits of a mature community without putting any of the effort in.

The problem is, if no one "plants the seeds" to get the kids to the point that they will grow up into mature and valuable additions to the community, there isn't going to be any growth, and therefore the community will eventually age out, and those left will be left with a worthless, disrespectful, hacking, group of airsofters to play with.

It sounds stupid and cleche these days because everyone tosses it around without giving it any meaning, but everyone has to do their part. Not everyone is willing to mentor, but everyone should at least be willing to take a few minutes out of their busy "shooting people" schedules to tell the kid next to them that isn't calling his hits that he is ruining the game for everyone, instead of just ignoring it and leaving it to an admin.

I don't want this to start a flame war, so please don't take this as a personal attack (that means everyone).

[KA-BAR]

wow that was pretty arrogant statment comming from you pheonix, who has barely been a AP member for what? a year? you just threw your first "game" this weekend" and you think you are a major contributor to this community?

Nic has been around far longer then me, by at least a year and has done more for this airsoft community in the last two years then you will probably do in your entire stay here.


you need to sit back, shut up and enjoy the ride.


not to fuel a flame war or anything.( this means just someone.)

[MillerSA15]

wow that was pretty arrogant statment comming from you pheonix, who has barely been a AP member for what? a year? you just threw your first "game" this weekend" and you think you are a major contributor to this community?

Nic has been around far longer then me, by at least a year and has done more for this airsoft community in the last two years then you will probably do in your entire stay here.


you need to sit back, shut up and enjoy the ride.


not to fuel a flame war or anything.( this means just someone.)

I don't know what you are talking about. When did I say I have contributed a lot to the AP community? You are right, I have done basically nothing for AP, I have however spent plenty of time giving back to the BSA community, which in my opinion is a much better use of my time. My point was simply that it takes a lot of hard work to build a community that is worth being a part of, and it is ongoing.

[Nocte]

Why aren't we stepping up and teaching them how to act, speak, and play with honor. STOP THE BITCHING AND START MENTORING!!!

I play airsoft to shoot people, not babysit and mentor.

I think this is an inherent problem in any community, there are those that simply want to do their own thing, and not do anything to advance the sport.

Please note Nocte, I am not bashing you, it is something we have all done from time to time, we just want to reap the benefits of a mature community without putting any of the effort in.

The problem is, if no one "plants the seeds" to get the kids to the point that they will grow up into mature and valuable additions to the community, there isn't going to be any growth, and therefore the community will eventually age out, and those left will be left with a worthless, disrespectful, hacking, group of airsofters to play with.

You assume a lot. I've hosted my share of OPs and skirmishes. I've written a handful of guides and articles for the site. It's not quite the accomplishment that Matt or Bill have put in with creating AP, but I'd say I've pulled my own weight in advancing the community.

Suggesting that I'm somehow responsible for the fact that teenagers are disrespectful and arrogant because I won't mentor them is stupid. I work two jobs, I maintain good grades with a challenging load of classes, and I have a wife to keep happy. I'm not going to take the shred of free time I can afford for airsoft and cart some brat around the field who's going to reflect on my own reputation if they wind up retarded in spite of my efforts.

I am not your bleeding Obi-Wan Kenobi.

[KA-BAR]

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The problem is, if no one "plants the seeds" to get the kids to the point that they will grow up into mature and valuable additions to the community, there isn't going to be any growth, and therefore the community will eventually age out, and those left will be left with a worthless, disrespectful, hacking, group of airsofters to play with.

I beg to differ.
No one mentored me to play airsoft when I was under age, yet somehow I manage to conduct myself with integrity and respect on the field.
Most of the aging community you refer to could probably say the same thing.
How do you suppose that happened?

Values, ethics, whatever you choose to call it.
It comes from parenting and maturing. Both of which take time. More for some than others.

I'm a dad of three kids. I love them and nurture their growth.
While I airsoft for many reasons, one of the major ones is to escape.

I'm not interested in parenting someone else's kids.
Mentor-ship? I lead by example on the field.
If their parents want to join them on the field and parent their behavior, I will be glad to set a positive example through my own.

[Eudorus]

It's always someone elses problem.

[MillerSA15]

You assume a lot. I've hosted my share of OPs and skirmishes. I've written a handful of guides and articles for the site. It's not quite the accomplishment that Matt or Bill have put in with creating AP, but I'd say I've pulled my own weight in advancing the community.

Suggesting that I'm somehow responsible for the fact that teenagers are disrespectful and arrogant because I won't mentor them is stupid. I work two jobs, I maintain good grades with a challenging load of classes, and I have a wife to keep happy. I'm not going to take the shred of free time I can afford for airsoft and cart some brat around the field who's going to reflect on my own reputation if they wind up retarded in spite of my efforts.

I am not your f***ing Obi-Wan Kenobi.

"You assume a lot." That sir, is exactly what you did when you assumed I was assuming you were the problem I was addressing.

I actually wasn't directing any of that comment at you, it was simply your comment that triggered the response. People like you deserve to say " I have put in an honest effort and I want to have fun for a while". It is the people that haven't done that, and see people like you (that have, but are taking a break, or whatever you want to call it when you decide to show up and at game and enjoy yourself instead of working) and say "well that guy isn't doing anything, why should I have to".