Thank You Cybergun (not really)

[McNair]

But I want guns that don't suck.

THEN YOU MUST PAY $600.
OTHERWISE...


TOO BAD.

[Bulldog]

Griz the original "boycott" (the one Kevin is referring to) is because they are chit. Instead of wasting money on a name, these crappy companies need to put money into R&D and produce a quality product


...I guess I take along time posting...

[Jewish Ninja]

My Cybergun licensed ICS SIG 551 doesn't suck and I really doubt I could have gotten it for $210 if they really add $60 just for trades.

[Toonvater]

so i guess saving up for a vfc scar is pointless now.

[Jewish Ninja]

VFC will probably be back with licensed trades so don't get all sad panda yet.

[McNair]

so i guess saving up for a vfc scar is pointless now.

There's probably like 40 of them for sale on airsoftforum right now.

[Bulldog]

My Cybergun licensed ICS SIG 551 doesn't suck and I really doubt I could have gotten it for $210 if they really add $60 just for trades.

What, a gun that Cybergun didnt make isnt crap? Crazy.....


Besides, the "original" was before they acquired all these companies

[wurger]

Hopefully, this lawsuit will force the airsoft manufactures to pay licensing fees to Cybergun/FN.

Then we can have nice, halfa**ed trades like KWA has on their HP guns (with a bunch of stupid looking legal disclaimers), and pay more to boot.

The so called trades on my KWA USPs aren't even close to the trademarks on my real USP 45.

[Matt]

Or you could just import from china out japan like we all did back in the day.

[wurger]

Or you could just import from china out japan like we all did back in the day.

Used to do that, but now the metal slide, propane/green gas Taiwan guns are getting really difficult to find. Most of the Hong Kong stores primarily have the plastic slide Japanese duster gas guns.

[Junto]

Asinine bullshit with no regard for what Cybergun is, and what it has done.

They're not doing anything to help encourage legal trade. They clamp down on anything they can so that they can wrest distribution rights from an already small market and dominate it themselves. If they could, they'd establish themselves as a monopoly for the American airsoft market, having the sole rights to distribute replicas from their various sub-companies. This is NOT the way to adhere to copyright law and it is CLEARLY not done for that end.

[Mtgriz]

Asinine bullshit with no regard for what Cybergun is, and what it has done.

A bunch of dumb shit.

So they've exercised their legal rights to protect their investment? And then they've tried to expand their business? Oh the horror!

Your hippie bullshit "ethics" is why people like you never make any money or own businesses that do. Eveything you just wrote is wrong, stupid an/or pure bullshit. Lets break it down, shall we?

1. "They're not doing anything to help encourage legal trade"- halting trade dress infringement and trade mark infringement is the definition of encouraging legal trade.

2. "They clamp down on anything they can so that they can wrest distribution rights from an already small market and dominate it themsleves."- So they stop their competitors from breaking the law and then stive for a larger market share? Isn't that the idea behind business?

3. "If they could, they'd establish themselves as a monopoly for the American airsoft market, having the sole rights to distribute replicas from their various sub-companies."- No kidding? And they're doing fully within the law? Sounds like a pretty solid business plan.

4. 'This is not the way to adhere to copyright law and it is CLEARLY not done for that end"- Pure conjecture and bullshit here. This IS the way to protect your rights in a business. And to boot, HUGE negative press for your competitor, at little to no cost. And you have absolutely no idea the motivation about why Cybergun does what they do. You're assuming you do, but based on your track record on your previous statements, you're probably wrong there too.


I don't like what Cybergun has done to limit the availability of cheap trademarked airsoft guns. I personally choose not to buy many of their replicas, mainly because they don't carry many of the weapons I like. But I damn sure will respect the first company to bring any sense of legitimacy to the industry as a whole in respect to trademarks. The rest of the customer base would do well to realize that the days of super cheap illegally trademarked Chinese guns is coming to an end, and it is a good thing for all of us.

[league 4]

I just don't want "licensed trades" that look like this:

[Jewish Ninja]

The VFC 416 shown on ASGI doesn't have the huge warning on the side anymore, and more accurate trades.

[Junto]

Asinine bullshit with no regard for what Cybergun is, and what it has done.

A bunch of dumb shit.

A bunch of valid points for an overall false conclusion.

Monopolies, no matter how small, are unethical and largely illegal. How that has anything to do with me being a hippie is beyond me, especially considering my political leanings, which I have never described to you in detail, you jerk.

Cybergun isn't the company that should be protecting trades. They're stepping in as a middle-man platform for companies too ignorant of the sport or products marketed within it so that they can earn money off of the ensuing lawsuits. It is not Cybergun's job to police illegal trades. I remember them before they had any ties to the firearms industry, when they were just pushing out inferior replicas and accessories. Their biggest bid for power was acting as a whislteblower to... was it Glock? I think it was Glock because there was an ensuing wave of people trading the ones that still had trades.They had no right to weasel their way into making money off of that.

Every company should police illegal trades on their own, not ship it out to a third party whose business thrives off of cutting other people's business off. Better yet, they could find the violating companies and license them, creating competition between airsoft companies, cutting out lower-quality replicas because they couldn't afford them (Oh no, we lose AGM. What a shame.) to become licensed by the big names in firearms. It worked with Echo 1, which now has a handful of brands they can stamp full trades on their replicas from.

Already, we've seen local retailers state that they're losing product here. This suit will just chase off what would have been support for local businesses to places like Hong Kong. Rick is right, this is entirely about money.