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Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Riddick » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:05 pm

After talks with Greg and his parents, field ammo is the only way to ensure that non-bio ammo is coming onto the field and also ensure that GOOD bio is being used. While the good part is speculative usually by preference of the players. We are looking at it with materials that make up the ammo in mind and if it's backed with a MSDS sheet or Lab certificate detailing the materials that the ammo is composed of and how good the ammo performs as well.

While the FDA is putting more and more regulations in their industry because they produce an edibel product to the public, we need to make sure we have documentation for the ammo we are allowing in case of an inspection or questions arise because of "little white bb's they might find".

Now some will be like "oh it's a money thing" in all actuality it's quite the opposite. I didn't want to have to carry several thousand dollars worth of ammo which I could have into other products at my shop however it has to be done.

The ammo I purchase is $11.50 a bag with approximately another $1.50 a bag for S&H which brings it to $13 a bag. Then I sell it for $18 (which is MAP) in which I make about $5 a bag. I can sell other bio ammo in which I could make alot more money but it's not a better product for you or the farm. So I'd rather give you the best product available that I can that covers everyone. This will out shoot any comparable bio ammo on the market without issues. I've done the testing and research on it.

-I will gladly produce invoices to anyone that would try to disagree my costs on ammo

I also have a tamper resistant holographic seal created so that if people want to secure any left over field ammo for future use at the field they can have me seal up their bag before they leave and they can use it again without purchasing another bag if the seal was not tampered with on their next arrival. Nobody else does that. It's a new bag everytime in paintball or airsoft.

The ammo is a 5.95mm "SOLID CORE" without an air bubble in the core like every other brand out there. So my stuff will shoot more accurately because of better balancing. My ammo is 100% seemless and made with 100% BIO Materials and is backed with an independant lab certification of bb material ingredients. These start to breakdown around the 100 day mark.

The FIELD ONLY AMMO is something that was coming wither I was involved with the field or not. I heard about it last year and have done my best to keep it out as long as I could but with more and more FDA regulations coming down on them and with people not following the BIO AMMO only rules this is the only way to insure compliance.

I can tell you that Splat Action is wanting to go this route (and I am not involved with that field in any manner) and WARPAINT was certainly going that route as they were having a special colored round created for their field until their recent closure.

So I know some people are going to be upset with this and while I don't see why, I will certainly do my best to make this as less of an impact on you as I can within reason. I will be doing some community ammo orders at my cost to help with the transition initially. I know one will happen before LOW. So keep your eyes peeled out for an community announcement.

More effort on my part is being put into producing new layouts for the field. We got alot of new stuff coming in and new develpment areas going into parts of the field that didn't have them before. Stay with us during this transition, you will make it through I promise you and you are going to like the new stuff we got coming in.

So here is the official policy:
-FIELD AMMO ONLY- POLICY:
Each player (NON-BOLT RIFLE USER) must purchase the event hosts ammo through PRE-PAY or ONSITE PURCHASE. The only exception to this rule is for players using bolt action rifles using ammo heavier than .30g, however you must still check in your ammo at the registration desk. If you have left over field ammo that you would like to use at the next sniperzden event, please see me and I will use a Tamper Proof Seal to secure your ammo so that you will be able to use it again at the field. However if you decide in the meantime to use it and break the seal, you will be required to buy another bag of ammo on your next visit.
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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Raging Hormann » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:20 pm

Riddick wrote:So I know some people are going to be upset with this and while I don't see why, I will certainly do my best to make this as less of an impact on you as I can within reason. I will be doing some community ammo orders at my cost to help with the transition initially. I know one will happen before LOW. So keep your eyes peeled out for an community announcement.


Playing devil's advocate (I currently have ZERO BBs so this doesn't represent me):
It means that I am not allowed to use ammo that I already know I like and have paid for because I know it works well.

Riddick wrote:More effort on my part is being put into producing new layouts for the field. We got alot of new stuff coming in and new develpment areas going into parts of the field that didn't have them before. Stay with us during this transition, you will make it through I promise you and you are going to like the new stuff we got coming in.


If it's MAP, that's all right with me. I'm excited to see the new layout that I know you're working on! I think the transition will go all right, $18 is still cheaper than when Bios first came out and it's cheaper than many companies' Bio BBs today anyhow.
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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Riddick » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:36 pm

Big_Red - You would not be allowed to use it. You have to purchase the field ammo unless you're a sniper with a bolt and shoot heavier than .30g but you still have to show up with your ammo at registration. I took the owners issues and tried to devise a plan than doesn't eat ones pocket book (maybe initially) and allows one to continue using the ammo they purchased in a controlled way to prevent cheats "if" they have leftovers. This whole process is not hack proof but it's the closest thing until colored ammo makes it way "eventually"

I'd rather not have to deal with any of this and have it how it used to be. This is more work and alot more money but it's what the owners are comfortable with.

Other events hosts I will have to work one of one with and make an arrangement with them to facilitate their events as well as mine and my teams. Once this ammo starts circulating, it won't be so much of a big deal anymore except for maybe other retailers but this by no means a way to capitalize the market ---> Though the conspiracy theorists would try to make you think that (I've already heard about some grumblings already) Things are way more simple and honest/innocent than some would like to believe.

Welshy - Thanks for the compliments. This is good stuff. I wouldn't sell which I wouldn't use myself. People will be like wow i love this stuff once they get their hands on it and use it.
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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby 'Skyhawk' » Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:34 pm

Will there be .28g BBs available?
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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Tactical.Monkey » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:23 pm

'Skyhawk' wrote:Will there be .28g BBs available?


I use .28's and .30's in my AEG so will those be available in BIO at the field?
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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Riddick » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:37 pm

.20g 5,000ct
.23g 4,350ct
.25g 4,000ct
.28g 3,575ct
.30g 3,300ct
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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Nodachi » Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:47 pm

I haven't seen anything regarding 8mm. Is there anything covering bio 8mm?
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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Riddick » Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:52 pm

Weissritter wrote:I haven't seen anything regarding 8mm. Is there anything covering bio 8mm?


I'm not gonna carry 8mm bio for the random once in a blue moon player. If you got 8mm I suggest bioshot. They carry 8mm bio
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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Bulldog » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:39 pm

Sound good Rick, You tha man!

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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Nodachi » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:52 pm

Riddick wrote:
Weissritter wrote:I haven't seen anything regarding 8mm. Is there anything covering bio 8mm?


I'm not gonna carry 8mm bio for the random once in a blue moon player. If you got 8mm I suggest bioshot. They carry 8mm bio



I know they do. I was questioning the "field ammo only" part.
Since they don't seem to have 8mm sold at the field, are there any alternatives? Would 8mm Bioshot be acceptable?
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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Tactical.Monkey » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:56 pm

Riddick wrote:
.20g 5,000ct
.23g 4,350ct
.25g 4,000ct
.28g 3,575ct
.30g 3,300ct


Oh cool thanks, and any of those bags run $20.00 right?
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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Riddick » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:33 am

Tactical.Monkey wrote:
Riddick wrote:
.20g 5,000ct
.23g 4,350ct
.25g 4,000ct
.28g 3,575ct
.30g 3,300ct


Oh cool thanks, and any of those bags run $20.00 right?


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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Evil Zergling137 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:04 pm

What are the issues with the biodegradability of imported ammo? Are there any?
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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Riddick » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:08 pm

Evil Zergling137 wrote:What are the issues with the biodegradability of imported ammo? Are there any?


How much of it is bio, how long does the bio process take, what ingredients make up the round, etc.

How long does it take to begin the bio process

The manufacturer has gone on record with us stating that at the 100 day mark the materials should be completely dissolved.

What materials make up the round and how much of it is biodegradable

Ours are 80% PLA and 20% CaCO3

Google it ;-)

Not all bio bb's are made of 100% bio material which means like 3% to 10% matter is left behind depending on brand.

Lastly, is the round worth a dam

Yes - the best round I believe many of you will ever have shot once you try it.
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Re: Sniperzden Bio Ammo Policy

Postby Nocte » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:30 pm

Riddick wrote:This will out shoot any comparable bio ammo on the market without issues. I've done the testing and research on it.


Testing and research? I'm curious to see the test data and the sources of research.
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