What do you guys think of mag fed?

[SlamSlayer]

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What you guys are looking at are .68 caliber mag fed paintball guns. The same caliber the hopper fed guns, I'm sure you guys think of when you hear paintball, shoot. Mag fed has recently blown up in the past few years in paintball. More and more companies are dip their toes into it, giving it legitimate company backing. And more and more people are joining in this cheaper way to play.

While shooting normal paint still has the same roughly 50 yard range your used to, this can be extended with the use of an Apex tip to closer to 80 yards if not more. Which works exactly like a hop up except it goes on the tip of your barrel and looks like a silencer.
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Meanwhile First Strike paintballs, which can only be used in a mag fed marker, extend your range to close to TWO HUNDRED YARDS. With their effective range hovering around 100 yards, but we have recorded shots around 150 yards. It takes a bit of skill and luck at that range.*

Heres some videos

First off this video will let you see the difference between normal paint (in a smoothbore barrel) vs First Strike (in both a smoothbore AND rifled barrel) at about 135 feet. Approaching the maximum range for normal paint. This particular rifled barrel (the last test) he's using is actually one of the worth for first strike lol. Its too much of a tight bore.

Lapco FSR First Strike Rifled Barrel Review - Increase range & accuracy on your paintball gun! - YouTube

Here is the ORIGINAL product demo video from the company. This was before rifled barrels were even known as a thing for these rounds lol. He's using a T4.0 which wasn't released yet at the time, and comes with a smooth bore barrel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zOSozQNURI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjPxA4fjK-U&list=UUyetc8sETlucd3b6Hmcxn6Q
More companies are also coming out with their own versions of this "Shaped Projectile" ammo.

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We also have more brands of the shaped rounds coming out.




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Another more recent bit of tech, which is actually a revival of old tech, mechanical full auto. This is becoming a staple in the bullet point features on future mag fed markers. Select fire, semi and full auto, all mechanical with zero batteries. *The M17 is the first to make use of this. This is not a bouncing "response trigger", this is true full auto.
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Whats everyones honest opinion?

[Cyclops]

Airsoft Pacific is airsoft not paintball. Two totally different styles of play and to be honest paintballers and airsofters don't really get along. Paintball is way more expensive which I can afford but I don't like the style of play.

[Payback]

My honest opinion?


The ACS looking stock on the M4 would be cool to use on a P* gun.

Other than that, this is an airsoft forum, and you look like your trying to sell paintball gear. So don't care past that stock.

[SlamSlayer]

I ask only because a lot of mag fed players show their equipment to airsoft players at the local hybrid fields, and get a surprised response. The airsoft players had no idea this kind of paintball exists. So I thought I'd take to the forum, globally and nationally, and see how true this is. So far of all the forums I've posted this on, the general response is total surprise.

The best conversation I got out of it was on the airsoft sniper forums, where people were shocked that first strike could out shoot their airsoft sniper set ups, and they were very interested in the bullet shaped rounds. Other forums gave me generally positive oh cool responses. Plenty of yeah but its not airsoft. And of course plenty of wtf is this crap. But overall, most airsofters didn't know this existed.

So I'm not here to poach players or start things. Just to generally ask opinions from the og milsim guys more or less and have a conversation on shooting sports. What to you think?

[ClownBaby]

I think the amount of negative responses will borderline on frenzy.

Thank you for such a sweet holiday treat.

[Pickle-Jar]

This is cool as hell

[Cyclops]

You've said this:
While shooting normal paint still has the same roughly 50 yard range your used to, this can be extended with the use of an Apex tip to closer to 80 yards if not more. Which works exactly like a hop up except it goes on the tip of your barrel and looks like a silencer.
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Meanwhile First Strike paintballs, which can only be used in a mag fed marker, extend your range to close to TWO HUNDRED YARDS. With their effective range hovering around 100 yards, but we have recorded shots around 150 yards. It takes a bit of skill and luck at that range.*

Question I have is:
1. If your gun is level how far does it shoot? Not pointing the gun upwards to get more distance out of it?

2. Were these test done with legal FPS with that kind of distance?

My airsoft sniper being level is able to hit targets at 300 ft plus (chest size targets). If I angel they will go much further but then that's takes the whole purpose out of the realism of the game. You may want to add the above questions answers to your thread so it's not misleading as it seems to me.
My personal experience with paintballers for the most part have been ok. How ever when I do mention I play airsoft not paintball they tell me that's a kids toy. So I take them out side and ask what they can shoot AND hit from this point. They said something in the 140 ft range (ball park calculation). I then point to them and say that I can hit a 5 gallon bucket at 300 ft away. They usually drop their jaw. I remember one guy saying that there isn't much power to the airsoft guns. So I handed him a basic M4 (380 FPS) and he shot him self in the leg. He wasn't to happy and I think he has a new look on airsoft.

[SlamSlayer]

The maximum legal fps is 300. Its never any higher no matter where you go or what country you're in. It can be LOWER though lol. But this is all at 300.

I'm not sure what the maximum distance you can reach while aiming 100% straight is. And to an extent, at super long ranges, snipers aren't aiming straight of course. They account for bullet drop, hold over, etc. But the angles are much smaller, which are then scaled down when shooting airsoft (and paintball) of course. If you really think about it, snipers do lob their rounds at extreme range. Thats why you aim up to compensate DROP. But airsoft and paintball, is scaled down by a bit.

There are two ways we aim these when it comes to sights. First is the use of crossbow scopes. Crossbow bolts have a VERY similar trajectory to first strike (depending on the bolt of course). So we've found they work incredibly well on our rifles. Hawke crossbow scopes even let you adjust the scope to your shooting velocity. So if you're shooting at 300, you set the scope at 300 and the range lines match up pretty close once zeroed.

With this scope pictured below (that I use on my sniper) the range lines represent 20 to 100 yards. So out to 100 yards, I simply need to put the 100 yard line on target and fire. So whatever angle that puts the marker at is how its shooting. So at this point, I'm still aiming using my sights out to 100 yards (300 feet).





So what about outside of 100 yards (Beyond 300 feet)? After that we use adjustable risers. Pictured with the big dial is the HHA Optimizer (for crossbows), which is EXTREMELY accurate and popular (but expensive). In front of that is a .22 caliber adjustable riser (these do exist for real steel of varying calibers) and behind that is the Tiberius and Killjoy adjustable riser. With these you range your target, dial it in, aim and shoot. So your rifle might be on a bit of an angle, but your point of aim is exactly level.



Here you see the HHA. It angles the scope down and is accurate to 1 yard adjustments. You simply range, dial and shoot.

[SlamSlayer]

Here you can see a promotional video for First Strike when they first came out.

He's aiming at a 100 yard (300 feet) target. He doesn't look to be aiming very high at all does he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjPxA4f ... 3b6Hmcxn6Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zOSozQ ... 3b6Hmcxn6Q

[Cyclops]

Ok ya that's is pretty cool with very little angle. What is the ball park price range of that gun and ammo (how many rounds)? I'm curious just to see the price different in guns really. Ammo wise most of us pay like $20 for 2,000 rounds. Gun starts out around $150 ish then about $250 to $800 in upgrades depending how tricked out you want to get it. Total investment $300 to $1,100. Mine was about $700.
But over all for a paintball gun like that is nice compared to these speed shooters I've seen distance wise.

[ClownBaby]

I think what this really is, is an attempt to make friends in the airsoft world, so when you leave paintball, the sport that we all know you hate, just like the rest of us who left that stupid shit behind, it' ll make the transition, easier.

Right, or wrong? Let me get your opinion on that.

Edit: Just so you know, I don't hate the player, I hate the game.

Sell that shit, join the dark side, we have made it easy with a 30day inpatient, 12 step program, where we will welcome you with open arms, and open hearts.

Join us, never have to wipe paint again, join us.

Besides, that ammo is EVEN MORE expensive than than regular good paint, so how the shazaam is that gonna help? (*4000rds for $20, you gettin ripped Cyclops?)
Stop trying to be airsoft, and just play airsoft.
Or at the very least don't come up on here and post paintball shit (which seems a lot more like an ad, which others pay to show) or I will get all up in pb forums, and post nonsensical, sometimes creepy threads, that trust me, you don't want, as evident, from here.

Kiflom, Brother, Brother

[SlamSlayer]

Haha I would play BOTH if I could. But living in NYC, we're lucky the gun laws barely touch paintball. While there are definitely airsofters out here, there aren't any close fields. The most airsoft I've ever played was in a construction yard behind a friends house in JR high with springer pistols lol. We were obsessed with airsoft and counter-strike lmao.

That ammo in particular is a sniper round. You get a box of 100 rounds and that WILL last you all day (once you get decent with your rifle and that ammo). Much like how a normal box paint will probably last someone all day. Its volume vs accuracy essentially. So to answer that other guys questions, its $40 for a box of 100 rounds. But if you have to think about this. If a box of 100 will last you all day, than its cheaper than buying a box of normal paint for $60 for 2000. Either way the price hasn't stopped them from flying off the shelf lol. They are FUN to shoot. Since they've come out, we've had 3 national top paintball sniper competitions.

Airsoft will ALWAYS be cheaper.

The other shaped projectiles I posted pictures of are going to be cheaper. The Macy Works round for example is aiming for .13 cents a round (vs the .40 cents for first strike). So a box of 100 of those would b around $13. That round is also aimed at being more of a "rifleman" ammo. Maybe something the DMR guys use. Point is, companies are coming out with their own cheaper rounds. Which in turn should drive down the originals price. Right now they're the only game on the market.

We have guns ranging from $100 up to $1200. Average price hovers around $400. My sniper that I pictured with the crossbow scope is $1200. But its in a class of its own. Right now its hands down the most accurate first strike shooter on the market. Theres a 3 month line to get a new one lol. I love it. Here I'll show you guys some examples and prices. We definitely don't have the variety of real steel representations yet like airsoft, but its slowly growing. And of course, the cheaper ones right now aren't as good looking as cheaper airsoft as well.


This is the Tiberius T15 stock. Out of the box $500


Heres a customized one into a DMR



Rap4 468 stock ($468)


Upgrades

[Cyclops]

4000rds for $20, you gettin ripped Cyclops?

Kiflom, Brother, Brother

2,000 rounds for $20. Sniper ammo isn't cheap but last you a long time. I don't use that crossbow brand or anything like that. Currently I use King of Arms 0.40g tan or gold color. Unfortunately they stopped making and selling them in the US. Now I did find some in Germany but shipping was crazy! $80 for 2K rounds of same product with shipping included. So I went on a search and found that ThunderKissNW now has the white heavier Bbs. Haven't used them yet but soon.

[Solid]

Looks cool I guess. But like stated earlier this is an airsoft forum

[ClownBaby]

Yes Cyclops, I forgot you run a bolt, definitely more expensive than AEG ammo.
I've heard good things about the bio sniper ammo from ThunderKissNW.

Still paintball

Still a mess

Still sucks

Please, no more paintball shit, please.