King Arms M4 vs. KWA m4 'mod 2'

[Alien_Hunter]

I am looking for a high performance m4 for about $200 bucks or less. Which gun will I happier with in the long-run?

Kwa
http://www.airsoftstation.com/king-arms-colt-m4a1-full-metal-aeg.html#.UWeOhaV9nww

King Arms
http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/5762-KWA-104-30100-KWA-Airsoft-M4-CQR-MOD-1-AEG-Rifle-w-LIPO-Ready-KWA-2GX.aspx

I understand the basic pros and cons (correct me)

Kwa: probably better parts, more customer support, better performance(?) BUT a plastic lower. Maybe I'll tell KWA my 'metal' lower cracked.

King Arms: Full metal, trades, takes more types of mags, anything else?

**and I'm ok with suggestions**

[bye]

KWA=Proprietary as hell. And have plenty of lemons despite what it seems...

[G36 FTW]

I've liked my KWA CQR. The rate of fire and trigger response are great, however the '2GX' hop-up isn't. It a solid rifle, however the rear peep site is cheap (plastic framed) and the plastic receiver already has a few hairline cracks, although they aren't in any particularly structurally important spots (above both rear body pin holes). The magazine it came with is really great as well; works and feels just as good as my Magpul mags.

In the long run, the KWA's performance will probably be superior, but you'd probably be happier with the King Arm's externals. You can find KWA metal lowers, but they are hard to find. And as mentioned, the KWA will be picky with parts (although thanks to the plastic lower, not magazines).

[Alien_Hunter]

Is it just the bucking or whole unit on the kwa? Would KWA sell me a metal lower?

[Alien_Hunter]

[quote="Alien_Hunter"]Is it just the bucking or whole unit on the kwa?

[The Grand Baboon]

I wouldn't go with a KWA CQR (or a KWA in general). When they first came out, everything was "pure" KWA. Heat-treated gears, decent 9mm bearings, and generally a rather high-quality gun for the price. Once it hit off, KWA had to meet the the demand by ramping up supply.

Enter cut corners.

My local airsoft store's (Weapon Blender) first shipment of CQRs (a few hundred units) sold fine and haven't come back with any problems. However, the second and third shipment down the road have had numerous problems. Gears stripping, bearings failing, and guns misfeeding like you wouldn't believe. When the owners of Weapon Blender went to Shot Show 2013 and talked to reps at the KWA USA booth, this is the story they were told...

Apparently KWA International, over in Taiwan, had to meet the demands of the market after the CQR line took off. KWA USA wasn't aware of the corners that KWA International was cutting with the CQR line. So, when gears strip on the current generation of KWA CQRs, WB sends them to KWA USA and gets genuine KWA gears for free. That deal also includes other parts on the CQR line.

Other than the KWA International and KWA USA SNAFU, I would avoid KWA for other reasons.
- Proprietary external parts (specifically the upper and lower receiver)
- Shoddy mag compatablity
- Proprietary hopup. It's a decent hop up actually, it's a copy of the old Mauri one, but it's just not standard. The only reason they went with a two piece is so the gun could break open like an actual AR-15. Not really that big of a deal in my book. It just leads to more of a chance of parts being out of spec and misaligning.
- Somewhat proprietary internal parts. Mauri standard parts can "work" in a KWA, but not work well.
- 9mm Bearings. Bearings are just kinda "bleh". Not to mention that you can't really find 9mm replacement bushings or bearings without paying a premium or cut on quality. If you had an 8mm Mauri spec gearbox, on the other hand, finding high quality replacement parts is easy.

[Shortbu]

I have the king arms m&p moe, and performance has been really rock solid, and durability has been great. I've been very happy with it, the only problem that I've incurred is that some of my kwa 120 rd mid caps will on occasion fall out. I have 10 of them and I believe 3 of them have this problem( more of a mag problem I believe, none of my hicaps, or dytac mids do this.). Other than that, the gun has been remarkable, and I'm very hard on equipment. I've heard of quite a few people having a few minor issues with kwa lately, but nothing that would really stear me away from them. I know you only asked about king arms and kwa, but you might also consider Dytac. I bought my King Arms from Riddick( Badger Airsoft), and both of my Dytacs from Thunder Kiss. Both places have treated me very well, and customer service from both has been top notch.

[Alien_Hunter]

I'll probably side with the Kings Arms unless someone can tell me how to get one of these "first batch" or US versions with the better parts.

[wurger]

Unless KA has made some changes, their mag compatibility sucks. I've had several KA AEG's in the past, and while their externals were uniformly top level, some of the guns didn't even work with the mags they shipped with.

Gen 1 KWA's had bad mag compatibility, but that has improved in the Gen2 guns.

[Alien_Hunter]

Has anyone seen the new WE 'katana' m4's? I know WE is generally pretty mediocre but these look sweet.

[laggard]

Kwa
http://www.airsoftstation.com/king-arms-colt-m4a1-full-metal-aeg.html#.UWeOhaV9nww

King Arms
http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/5762-KWA-104-30100-KWA-Airsoft-M4-CQR-MOD-1-AEG-Rifle-w-LIPO-Ready-KWA-2GX.aspx

Your links are backward.
Now to my opinion on the matter, I have a KWA CQR Mod 2 that I got on black Friday last year, it is a rock. I have dropped it out the back of moving vehicals, I have dropped it down the sides of mountaints, and has not even cracked. I have no complaints about it, and plan to get another one, only this time the Mod 1.

[Alien_Hunter]

I bought the WE m4. I wanted a convertible outer barrel and the gearbox is standard besides two parts.

http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_44_823&products_id=38163