G&P WOC M4A1 GBBR Question

[Riuk]

My friend is telling me WA systems are extremely flawed and that if I skirmish with this gun it will break and I'll need to put 1500 dollars worth of steel internals in it for it to be reliable. Is this true? its the WOC challenge kit, will it just break down on me if I bring it to a skirmish? thanks.

[G36 FTW]

If you put it together correctly, it shouldn't be as unreliable as your friend is making it out to be.

Problems with the WA system usually revolve around the bolt lock, accuracy and the cooldown effect. They don't outright break very often... And avoid steel parts, because when one part is steel, they all should be, otherwise the steel bits will destroy the non-steel bits. (You really don't need steel gbbr parts anyway... I've owned a WE scar, WE G36 and AGM M4. I put a lot of rounds through all of them and haven't witnessed substantial wear).

[SA12]

The challenge kits from what I've read and been told a lot is that they're crap. The standard WOCs on the other hand can be pretty good.

[Riuk]

alright, It is already put together and everything

[bye]

If you put it together correctly, it shouldn't be as unreliable as your friend is making it out to be.

Problems with the WA system usually revolve around the bolt lock, accuracy and the cooldown effect. They don't outright break very often... And avoid steel parts, because when one part is steel, they all should be, otherwise the steel bits will destroy the non-steel bits. (You really don't need steel gbbr parts anyway... I've owned a WE scar, WE G36 and AGM M4. I put a lot of rounds through all of them and haven't witnessed substantial wear).

WE and WA can't be compared in the least besides cooldown affect somewhat. The systems are entirely different. Even OB WE M4s are different from WAs. And yes, steel parts must be all or nothing. I've owned 4-5 WA system GBBRs, all had similar problems. Compression with nozzle/bolt, and the FCG wearing down rapidly.

Steel parts in a WA are a must, why? Because sure, zinc alloy will get you by, but after MAYBE 1k rounds, you'll notice hiccups in semi to loss of semi completely.

[icebullet]

My friend is telling me WA systems are extremely flawed and that if I skirmish with this gun it will break and I'll need to put 1500 dollars worth of steel internals in it for it to be reliable. Is this true? its the WOC challenge kit, will it just break down on me if I bring it to a skirmish? thanks.

As a person who's considering getting a WA himself, I would say, yes, the WA Magna System is very expensive for what you're getting. But most of the time, some really awesome GBBR builds are usually WA. The WOC challenge kit is not for the average person. It's complicated, and the instructions have some bits that are hard to understand. The parts in the WOC Challenge kit are a little better than the (IIRC) WOC-X. (A lower end series, I would say, comparable to ACM, but a tad better, because of the tolerances G&P has.) The steel internals are going to be about 200-300 dollars depending on what brand and what retailer. It's not flawed, and it's a worthy system, depending on how you do it. Also, WA mags are bloody expensive. Some mags go for around 120 Dollars (Very high end and nice), but there are much cheaper ones.

The WOC Challenge kit has a desirable price- But the downfall is that you have to build it, and a person who has no experience doing so, will be confused. Also, it doesn't come with a magazine. It's not going to break for a while, but I wouldn't recommend it for a game.

Pros: Blowback, Realism, and availability of aftermarket parts.

Cons: Cost, Cost of mags, Maintenance (Can go either way), Cooldown, and getting parts in US.

So, it's your call. I'm not going to make the decision for you.

[G36 FTW]

WE and WA can't be compared in the least besides cooldown affect somewhat.

They operate using similar systems, regardless of their comparability with one another. My point was that even my crappy WE gbbrs haven't needed the steel upgrade bits.


To the OP. If you bring a backup primary, why not use it? If it breaks it breaks, might as well tag some fools with it while it works.

[bye]

WE and WA can't be compared in the least besides cooldown affect somewhat.

They operate using similar systems, regardless of their comparability with one another. My point was that even my crappy WE gbbrs haven't needed the steel upgrade bits.


To the OP. If you bring a backup primary, why not use it? If it breaks it breaks, might as well tag some fools with it while it works.

WE>WA in reliability... So no, you wouldn't need to upgrade to RA-TECH parts. At least not near as soon as WAs would(excluding WOC(not WOC-X). KJW, and Inokatsu)

[pulsipher]

save your pennies. the KWA models are out now and they are vastly superior to WE and WA.

[Riuk]

I already have it, but im selling it tommorow

[dos_Santos]

save your pennies. the KWA models are out now and they are vastly superior to WE and WA.

I approve this message. YouTube ASGI's stress test of the KWA and two other rifles. No competition.

[John_234]

I have a KWA LM4, though the multi-part receiver and plastic buffer are worrying, I have yet to put a heavy round count through it see what issues will or will not arise.