KSC M4

[Jester316]

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/eac-custom-g ... 7-two.html

[pappyjump]

Thats awesome. Considering this is a KSC, may this be an early version of the KWA M4? Or am i just mistaken?

[G36 FTW]

Its the same system as the KWA will be (System 7 = NS2) but KWA will probably beef up the internals to handle Green Gas/propane, just like they did with the MP7.

Also, IIRC, the KSC version has been out for a while now. I wonder if any decent reviews are up (runs off to the interwebz)...

[Chachi]

Why is the trade blurred out in that one picture on the product page?

[Jewish Ninja]

Still going to have issues importing it to the US. I'm waiting for the Real Sword M4.

[110]

http://www.airsoft-barracks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23133

Good quick over view of what to expect with KSC's M4. Dunno if you have to register to view, but here's what Guge's wrote:

Well, when this became available from HK Airsoft suppliers, I ordered one.

I'll say this, the KWA version when it does come out will be absolutely nothing like this GBBR. Currently KWA designs have been rejected by the ATF and they are not any where close to having a US release ready.

The KSC is Strictly Asian Market Model only.

Now to initial impressions.

What can I say...its a KSC. The Japanese have certain mechanical and aesthetic expectations. The KSC functionality wise is mechanically identical in operation to a real AR Rifle However they chose to go the way of durability.

Where the VFC went with realism on certain parts like the buffer tube detente. KSC chose their own design that is like the G&P WOC that is more "beefier"...as some of you know...I complained about the "fragileness" of some VFC parts.

Here is the picture of the KSC buffer detente:

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The body is metal and some fitments are very high quality, like the rear sling hook.

While the parts are made in Taiwan, final assembly for this GBBR is Japan. You can tell they had to "File" some parts to get good fitment, the anodizing is ground away. This GBBR is also why it hard to get KSC Glocks. Production resources have been diverted from their venerable pistol line to make this GBBR and the MP7.

Internal view, notice the spacer (under the trigger group), that is ABS or some type of polymer. WOC use alloy metal, the wheel on the hammer is also larger then the one on the WOC. I am beginning to wonder it they did copy a WOC or license some part of the mechanism.

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The logos are actually raised off the body is and is very durable. I got this GBB with black silicone all over the trades and my hard rubbing did not take off anything. The logos look like the are a raised anodizing.

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I am currently waiting for a duster gas adapter and a delviery of 134a. I have 152a but that is not what this GBBR is designed for. Plus my new work schedule is leaving me fried. Look to performance info to follow in the next week.

New in box you get everything pictured

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This post has been edited by Guges Mk3: 15 November 2010 - 06:39 PM

[quigly]

I like how on the pic on Ehobby that looks into the receiver you can see HUGE gouges on it.

[league 4]

Apparently the "magna" system it uses is very bad and will follow over to the KWA.

[Miracle]

If by "magna" you are referring to the WA "magna" system (because the KSC is essentially a clone of that system), then you are wrong. The magna system itself is awesome, and allows for the open bolt operation (not like the retarded WE action with the brass tube in your chamber). The problem was the plastic valve in the bolt that funneled the propellant and created the blowback action. In WA's, this valve has always been plastic. It was solved by RA tech and Inokatsu by changing the valve nozzle to aluminum and steel, and that issue with the system was solved.

So don't make the false statement that the system was inherently bad, its genius, the fault was in the quality of parts used by WA. Other manufacturers provided parts for an aftermarket fix, and the system is amazing. (note: the G&P WOC STILL uses a plastic nozzle stright out of the box, the only companies who dont are Vipertech, Inokatsu, Bomber, and RA-tech custom order guns and kits, and cosequently they are the highest quality GBBRs and are extremely durable and reliable.)

You cant run an open bolt system on red gas with a RS buffer spring on anything BUT the WA system. You just need steel parts. KSC and KWA could fix the problem by producing off-the-line products with aluminum or steel nozzles and valves. problem solved.

[Miracle]

double post

[CommieHunter]

The KSC is not the same as the to-be-released KWA. While they come off the same design, KSC elected to release theirs as soon as they had a firing model, while KWA went through one or two more revisions to make a more efficient, more durable model.

[league 4]

Miracle, I'm going by what people in the KJW M4 GBBR thread on Arnies are saying. Not sure if it's the same as the WA system though, I don't know the differences. It sounded like the nozzle problem was a little different than that, and that he would use a plastic one and it'd wear out, but a metal one would destroy his bucking and cause some other problems that I can't remember. But what do I know, I have yet to own a GBBR...