Why? What? FPS?

[MillerSA15]

Good. I was just checking for the MOUT exercise.

We are doing some MOUT training on Day 2, and it is not entirely in the village. There will be some assaults on the village and some solely in-village stuff.

We are keeping the FPS for those at 400fps, because that's what guns people use, and there is no difference in safety between 400fps and 330fps. People just like lower fps for indoors because they are what science calls "weaklings".

We'll cover everything in the safety briefs at the Training regarding blind firing, minimum engagement distances for DM's and bolts, etc.

330fps hits to the skin (at least as I have noticed) tend to be less bloody/ lasting, but if you are hit in a spot covered by clothes it all really hurts about the same.

[Voodoo Man]

To my understanding the 330 limit for indoors is for the safety of eyes. Taking a 400 fps hit to the eye is going to shazaam your shit up a whole lot more than a 330 fps hit.

[Eudorus]

Getting hit in the eyes is why you wear safety glasses.
Also 1 joule/1.5 joules there's no real difference in the type of injuries inflicted.

[Voodoo Man]

Any one have that picture of Duke when he got hit in the eye wearing those full seal goggles handy?

[Eudorus]

If he was wearing full seal ansi rated safety goggles he should have been able to take 550 fps shots all day without taking any damage to his eyes.
Reducing the muzzle energy won't protect people that don't take sensible precautions such as wearing appropriate eye wear and without safety gear a bb moving at 50 fps will still blind you.

[chapped]

Also 1 joule/1.5 joules there's no real difference in the type of injuries inflicted.

Yeah! Why would additional energy change the degree of injury?
Ever heard of physics? You make my head hurt.

[KA-BAR]

i was standing next to duke when it happened ( i was the grader for the CQC mission they were on , it happened at a event.). the BB impacted not the ANZI rated plastic to protect his eye, but on the seal/frame of the goggles and almost blasted his eye out. duke also shot me at point blank with a TM sig 226 pistol @ PTOC in the face and also blasted the seals in my goggles and produced almost the same exact results.

http://www.vivalapla.com/forum2/viewtop ... 4e92933599

for people who write threads like this , you guys are fuckin funny as shit.

#1 my scout rifle shoots 430 fps, not 550 ( thats 170 FPS UNDER the limits, hell it barley qual's as a DMR)
#2 i NEVER take shots at under 40ft. AP SAFTEY STANDARD.



so as for your 400 FPS CQC training, do you think i give a rats a$$ if you blow your grill out and make your teeth crunchy or shoot someone on your teams eye out? shazaam no. its your own fault.


and DJ .... i am not going to jail for 10 years for shooting you in the face with a BB gun at a airsoft game where....people get shot with.....BB GUNS.



LOOK OUT KIDS..... PLAYING AIRSOFT IS LIKE.....ASSAULT 2 FELONY!

[Falcon7]

[...]a bb moving at 50 fps will still blind you.

It has to have over 1 joule of energy to penetrate your eyeball, otherwise it will just hurt you and bounce off. There was a thread about this somewhere...
And yes, 300-400fps is quite a big difference.

[TstclrCncr]

It's not just eyes. More people have their teeth shot out from hotter guns.

[Falcon7]

Then they should wear mouth guards, shouldn't they? You can get your teeth shot out by a gun that is within the fps limits too.

[pulsipher]

[...]a bb moving at 50 fps will still blind you.

It has to have over 1 joule of energy to penetrate your eyeball, otherwise it will just hurt you and bounce off. There was a thread about this somewhere...
And yes, 300-400fps is quite a big difference.

I'm gunna call you out on this. Prove that. Cite some research tits or gtfo

[Limpy]

(something about MOUT....)We are keeping the FPS for those at 400fps, because that's what guns people use, and there is no difference in safety between 400fps and 330fps. People just like lower fps for indoors because they are what science calls "weaklings".

Yeah, I'm not going to that.

[Falcon7]

[...]a bb moving at 50 fps will still blind you.

It has to have over 1 joule of energy to penetrate your eyeball, otherwise it will just hurt you and bounce off. There was a thread about this somewhere...
And yes, 300-400fps is quite a big difference.

I'm gunna call you out on this. Prove that. Cite some research tits or gtfo

The reason the limits are set where they are is due to the research that was done prior to this website opening up. It found that .8J was needed to pierce the human eyeball. Therefore, indoors, the limit is 1J. This is also one of the markers that insurance looks for. They want to make sure, that before they pay out, all possible safety precautions were in place. [...]

So yeah, it's .8J. I guess the idea is that if a bb does manage to penetrate eye protection at 1J then the energy will be reduced enough by the time it gets to your eyeball.
Anyway, my point is that a 50fps bb will not blind you. Unless it is a super heavy 50fps bb.

[Wicked One]

It's not just eyes. More people have their teeth shot out from hotter guns.

+1

[Beran]

[...]a bb moving at 50 fps will still blind you.

It has to have over 1 joule of energy to penetrate your eyeball, otherwise it will just hurt you and bounce off. There was a thread about this somewhere...
And yes, 300-400fps is quite a big difference.

I'm gunna call you out on this. Prove that. Cite some research tits or gtfo

http://irishairsoft.ie/wp-content/uploa ... forweb.pdf page 5.

[quote]Airsoft devices are specifically designed to be harmless beyond a sharp sting. According to the law, the legal and scientific threshold for any projectile round to cause a wound is greater than 1.35 joules of muzzle energy. All Airsoft devices used in skirmishes produce muzzle energy at or below 1 joule, that is, more than 20% less than the defined energy required for any round to cause any significant injury.

Many people claim that an impact with the human eye, even at such low velocities, could result in the loss of the eye or other significant permanent damage. This is also erroneous since the 1joule limit takes into account the resilience of the human eye. [b]It is currently recognised by the British Home Office and forensic science service that projectiles with muzzle energy of less that 1.35j are “incapable of penetrating even vulnerable parts of the body, such as the eye, although a direct hit from very close range would cause bruisingâ€