Safety killing

[KA-BAR]

yesterday i was within 40 feet of a friendly( unknown at the time, we had very poor team split for the day). wiesnhimer was pinning him behind a tree which totally exposed him to me. i could have blasted the kid, but i called safety kill.

i got a argument instead, after a safety briefing no more then 45 min preivious.


i lost all hope of seeing any sportsmanship from the individual, and walked off the field.



glad your experience is that much more enriched jester. your a pro, i guess i just suck.

[God]

Well, here's what happened, try not to fault me too much if it was wrong.

He ran up and I guess he saw my barrel or maybe just knew I was camping. Next thing I know there's a M14 barrel trying to shove its way through the place my M16 was. So, I fire. Too my knowledge, he started yelling safety kill AFTER I'd started firing. Then, as a show of bad sportsmanship, he dropped his gun and came in, apparently trying to threaten me. BTW, I was the last man standing, and feel he cheated me and my team out of a somewhat honorable loss. He could NOT, in anyway hit me from the way he was trying. At most, I would have taken a ricochet or two.

He got hit plenty, as I knew where he was-

[Nocte]

This discussion is why I typically don't safety kill anyone myself. If I'm close enough to call a safety kill, I'm close enough to aim for center mass with a good guarantee of shooting a chest rig of some kind. That way, it's never an issue, either you're shot or you're not.

[KA-BAR]

if i had shot you at 40 feet with a 500+ FPS bolt action i garentee that your reply would not be the same nic. in fact it would be a all out witch hunt and you would personally want my scalp lifted.

[God]

This discussion is why I typically don't safety kill anyone myself. If I'm close enough to call a safety kill, I'm close enough to aim for center mass with a good guarantee of shooting a chest rig of some kind. That way, it's never an issue, either you're shot or you're not.

I would prefer this way, just to simplify things.

To my understanding, it is an option to the to-be SK-ed(safety killed) whether he wants to try to fight back. Am I correct?

KA-BAR, I'm sorry, but I kinda think bolt-actions are a bit different.. I mean, don't you snipers get up to a 50ft safety kill range? Where us assault riflers get an AT MOST 30ft? Plus, you really couldn't blind-fire a building with a bolt, could you? =)

[Wisenheimer]

textbook scenario

And there you go textbooking. Again, I'm not talking about how it is being acceptable, I'm saying how it is is detrimental to airsoft as a whole.

Represent how you want. Don't expect me to have anything to do with that mentality.

I know I'm a virtual unknown in this scene. I don't care. If your promoting bad behavior, I'm going to call you out on it.

Jester, you are promoting bad behavior. Part of being safe is being mature enough to put your ego aside and let safety reign supreme. As a leader of your team, you should be a sponsor and shining example of airsoft responsibility. Ya, it's all fun and games until someone pokes their eye out, right? Responsibility must be promoted at every level, to do otherwise is irresponsible and could potentially cause huge problems later due to setting the foundation for irresponsibility being simply accepted as the norm. The choice is yours as an individual, but your choice speaks volumes about your character.

So which choice are you going to make? In fact, I would ask what are you doing to make airsoft better? What are you personally doing?

This is not off topic. Not meant to be a personal attack either, but Jester, dude, that mentality just sucks. Shame on you.

[KA-BAR]

ask ivan when i walked right up to him at a OP @ snipers den with him in the far rear fort. i was point blank, i put the muzzle to his head, and said in a loud voice as usual....SAETY KILL. he honored it. there is a pic to prove it also.

@ rez three i was in the compound during the night game... chesty and his #2 man burst in the room, we both melted each others face off with our lights and i yelled FREEZE! chesty just laughed and said...you are suppose to yell safety kill morgan, but guess what...HE STILL FUCKIN HONORED IT AS A HIT, and i was laughing so hard when his #2 came into the room i just put my hand in the air and actually congratulated him and was glad to take that hit.

that is honor, that is sportsmanship...... too many of the individuals we are playing with just dont have it.

new players and apperantly veterans of the sport who think they are sooo hard core....what ever Mr. BB guns.

[God]

How is that irresponsible? From the vids of the big games I've watched, 90% of people are wearing body armor it seems. Quite a few use full face masks, and all wear goggles(duh). I mean, I was shot in the vest and didn't feel it at all, I just heard it- And mine is a simple chest rig.

[Catch22]

To my understanding, it is an option to the to-be SK-ed(safety killed) whether he wants to try to fight back. Am I correct?

No. If a safety killed is called on you (aslong as they have a clean shot with no cover at under 30 feet) You should honor it just like a regular hit. It's cheap to not honor a good safety kill. The only person that has the option. Is the person deciding to call "safety kill" or shoot you.

The exception to this rule is bolt rifles... They cannot shoot people closer than 60ft. They have to switch to a side arm, call a safety kill, wait until the other player moves to a safe range or relocate to a safe range.

[Nocte]

if i had shot you at 40 feet with a 500+ FPS bolt action i garentee that your reply would not be the same nic. in fact it would be a all out witch hunt and you would personally want my scalp lifted.

If you shot me at 40 feet with it, you should have used your sidearm.

That said, if you did shoot me, and it stung like a phony pony... well, that's airsoft. When I tell people about my hobby, they always ask "does it hurt?" I tell them "it's about like a bee sting, at worst." By gearing up and dragging my rifle out on the field with you assholes, I assume I'm going to get shot with bbs and that they aren't going to all be 150 foot "ticklers."

[wake.joe]

I don't safety kill anymore.

Some "more important" players have decided that safety kills are optional to take, and just shoot you first. So I shoot first and if they wanna throw a fit, they can.

[God]

No. If a safety killed is called on you (aslong as they have a clean shot with no cover at under 30 feet) You should honor it just like a regular hit. It's cheap to not honor a good safety kill. The only person that has the option. Is the person deciding to call "safety kill" or shoot you.

Is blind-firing through a wall considered a clean shot then?

[Catch22]

In your case MalikMazadu. Your opponent did not have a "good" safety kill on you. Sticking his barrel through a hole, with out a clear view of where it was pointed, is not a good kill.

[God]

Thank you. Now my follow-up question, and I'm pretty sure the answer is "yes"...

Was it wrong for me to fire on him? Same hole, same scenario.
He got shot up a fair amount, I admit the amount fired was excessive, but he too didn't call a hit.

[KA-BAR]

i guess i have said all i can about this issue in this thread. good luck.