legal??? suppressors

[slayu2]

Guess you have never seen a MK23 in action.

[Bubba]

The GCA defines the term "firearm" as:

(A)any weapon (including starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by act of an explosive; (B) the frame or reciever of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? By their definition a silencer is a firearm? For that matter a bomb, a battleaxe, or a pointy stick would be a firearm as well. *sigh*

Houston we have a problem!
If I read the ATF ruling correctly - almost any airsoft suppressor may qualify as a sliencer or muffler by ATF standards, since it can be removed and used on other guns and possibly adapted to "real steel" guns. Oh boy here we go again!

An airsoft supressor is a replica that does not actually silence the weapon...and it would probably be cheaper to buy an actual silencer

KillaGorilla - Bzzt. Wrong. Many airsoft silencers contain foam which reduces the sound.

Doc - Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding, converting an airsoft silencer for realsteel would entail practically, if not entirely, as much as making one from scratch. Additionally, as I read the document, wouldn't converting one be considered "making" a silencer, anyway, with the original unmodified device not being considered a silencer, as it cannot be used on real steel?

[Wonderer]

The key here is not the definition of a silencer, but a firearm.

The document clearly states that the airsoft gun would have to be convertable to fire projectiles using a explosion which these guns can't handle. Therefore the replica silencer is not in fact a "firearm silencer" hence the law pertaining to them doesn't apply.

[Nightshade]

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ASK A LAWYER. No one here is a card carrying BAR member in any of the states that we play in, so all of the speculation in the world means nothing.

Seriously, ask a lawyer. Don't ask a police officer, don't ask your mother, don't ask on any airsoft forums - ask a lawyer in your state (preferably your county).

[ert gunner]

well i just emailed one

[sproc]

ASK A LAWYER

+1

And another mistake being made on this thread is the assumption that just because a law may clearly not apply to you that the feds won't make your life hell anyway.

Be careful.

[Eyes On]

Airsoft Suppressors are perfectly legal in Washington and Oregon, and do NOT meet the standards set for said devices set in NFA 1934, or any subsequent federal legislation related to the matter. I can not answer for whatever other states laws may or may not say.

These are not illegal in Oregon or Washington, there is no federal statute in USC Title 18 (or any other for that matter) that would classify it as applicable to NFA 1934.

States do reserve the right to (and the feds defer to the states regarding firearms... which airsoft guns may or may not be in some jurisdictions) enforce the laws as they see fit, or enact laws as they see fit.

"that is what i said but are there any docoments that says that from any officals ?? "

Is there a law in your state that says you are allowed to eat at McDonalds?
Is there a law in your state that says you are allowed to get a sun tan?
Is there a law in your state that says you are allowed to own more than one book?

I don't think so, yet, I am certain that you are allowed to, even though there there's no rule which says so. See where I'm going with this?

[Kendodude]

It's makes the sound into a muffle sort of sound, you don't exactly know where it's coming from, but you can definately hear it.

It's okay. Many people use them just to drill into and use longer barrels in them.

[ert gunner]

ok here is what he says .... it isnt illeagle ... the only thing that the gov have on airsoft guns are the orange tip...

and ok i have been browsing around the internet and i also found lots of suppressors for sell that have foam in it

[Doc]

The GCA defines the term "firearm" as:

(A)any weapon (including starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by act of an explosive; (B) the frame or reciever of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? By their definition a silencer is a firearm? For that matter a bomb, a battleaxe, or a pointy stick would be a firearm as well. *sigh*

Houston we have a problem!
If I read the ATF ruling correctly - almost any airsoft suppressor may qualify as a sliencer or muffler by ATF standards, since it can be removed and used on other guns and possibly adapted to "real steel" guns. Oh boy here we go again!

An airsoft supressor is a replica that does not actually silence the weapon...and it would probably be cheaper to buy an actual silencer

KillaGorilla - Bzzt. Wrong. Many airsoft silencers contain foam which reduces the sound.

Doc - Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding, converting an airsoft silencer for realsteel would entail practically, if not entirely, as much as making one from scratch. Additionally, as I read the document, wouldn't converting one be considered "making" a silencer, anyway, with the original unmodified device not being considered a silencer, as it cannot be used on real steel?

I stand corrected, and as Casca noted - Airsoft suppressors are legal and don't meet the criteria as defined by ATF, NFA of 1934, and GCA of 1968. The difference is size and material composition. The thread size and material make up will not work on real steel.

Other states may limit their sale however, so check you states laws and so forth. You know the drill

Sorry to stir the pot so to speak

I need to stop getting this kind of exercise - jumping to conclusions

[Jack Bauer]

the only raeson it would be illegal would be because it doesn't have an orange tip

[DMZ]

may be no supressors because it covers orange tip?

[KillaGorilla]

KillaGorilla - Bzzt. Wrong. Many airsoft silencers contain foam which reduces the sound.

That has little to no effect on the actual sound of the weapon...at best it will muffle it...

[Jack Bauer]

killagorilla really doesn't know what hes talking about but he likes to sound like he does

[Seagreen]

Both of you...shut up.