fps limits

[malik]

My ranting forum...
WHY FPS limits exactly? Because it hurts? Getting shot by a real rifle hurts. And you may die. If you want to have true "mil sim" it seems like having something hurt from being shot seems fair. If you have body armor on, good for you. If not, that's a personal issue... Why limit guns to 400fps or 550fps? Now, obviously you couldn't have 600fps guns going or 500 fps in cqb, but for outdoor fields.....


Note to all you knit-pickers... When I say 600fps I mean for outdoors... maybe 400-500 indoors.

For safety people who want to say it's unsafe: same as above. Also, WAR ISN'T SAFE... Simulation should not kill or maim you, at the same time if you're simulating being a soldier, you should be afraid of getting shot somewhat. Knowing I could get hit by up to 600fps guns would make me play very safely->realistcally.

Sorry for any word/grammar mistakes. I'm sure there are some and someone will make a big deal over it(them).

[Variable]

Host a game with your limits and see who shows up.

[malik]

No one would, everyone is trained into a narrow passage of one acceptable thing only.

[Snake Doc]

FPS is not the only thing that will affect how much a gun hurts. Rutherford has a 190 FPS UMP but the ROF is great and it has pretty good range. It hurts like a Bich too.

Now the reason there is FPS limits is because no body wants to have there eye protection shatter in your eye. That's why it is called military SIMULATION. If people did not care about there own safety they may be in the military. Of course there are other reasons too. But my point is, there are reasons for safety rules.

And by the way, there is really no reason to have a 600 FPS gun.

[Jester316]

The reason the limits are set where they are is due to the research that was done prior to this website opening up. It found that .8J was needed to pierce the human eyeball. Therefore, indoors, the limit is 1J. This is also one of the markers that insurance looks for. They want to make sure, that before they pay out, all possible safety precautions were in place.

As for outdoor, the FPS limits are set where they are due to tradition. Some events are modifying the limits (see Ash Bash for their DMR limits). However, it has been proven that 400FPS outdoors gets you the range you really need, while still being safe for the players.

Like Tim said, host your own game with your own limits. See who comes out. I'm sure some people would come out... I've seen bb's get embedded into skin at sub 300fps. I don't really want to have to pop a bb out of my skin after a day of playing. Sure we simulate war, but if we wanted to get hurt in the process, we would just go join up.

[malik]

Trust me... if I could, 18 bithday=I am in Iraq or where the hell it would be, but, because of a certain country being involved in a certain war they should never have been in, I can't.

[Catch22]

Well then, f**k Airsoft, let's shoot real bullets. That would be EXTREME!

I don't see why everybody has to phony pony about a 400 fps limit, we compared FPS limits of organizations all around the world before coming up with that as a base limit. Some groups only allow 350. In the UK the overall limit is 1j (328 fps with .20g) for EVERYONE. A few US groups are in the 400 fps with .25 range, which isn't much higher. We use these limits so that if our avid players in this community want to play at a large OP in some other state, it's VERY likely they'll be within the limits for those organizations.

"Afraid" to play with higher FPS limits isn't the issue, it's fear of creating more potential for injury that will give Airsoft a bad name and get it banned. Or make it so that no underwriter will EVER consider insuring Airsoft. How's that for realism? You can't own an Airsoft replica, so you'll have to buy a real gun and shoot cans and old computer monitors in your backyard. You'd have to start posting on AR15.com about your cool guns (that you can't shoot at people).

If you're new, I wouldn't take this advice to heart, 80% of Airsoft in the United States is under 400 fps with .20g.

I second Dantes and Hillbilly's line of thought concerning higher FPS limits.

1. Insurability
2. Unnecessary Player Risk
3. Not a cheating deterrent

Those are strong arguments.

As for stating opinions on these boards:

Promoting unsafe (to this communities way of thinking) gaming isnt going to be popular, just like horse porn. Everyone has an opinion, cept' not everyone agrees.

Actually the pure concept of increasing FPS will jeopardize our hobby in general. I know what 550fps can do up close, and that is a single shot. (Sorry Alex, but this is the perfect venue to discuss mistakes in judgement with high fps) Blood and possible penetration. Couple that with a high rate of fire and what do you have? A recipe for danger.

To clarify: Ripped skin, cartilage damage on a couple ears, penetrated skin on one occasion, several bloody welts, and of course a few teeth in the mix...and let us not forget Goofball.

So, the AEG's are hot enough for us. Whether your plan gains steam will be based on your course of action. Im just not interested in participating because I go out and play for safe fun, Im not interested in losing an eye or popping BB's out of my skin.

......The common vision concerning the high velocity games is more player responsibility. That sounds great, but really when push comes to shove, trigger discipline will go right out the window. I can scarcely trust players to use a 550fps bolt action gun that is being monitored. You are suggesting the future is every player using similar velocity but with high ROF?

The issue isn't face protection. The issue is penetration. 450fps upclose will penetrate. That is where fun stops and danger starts. To suggest anything less is simply ignoring a real safety issue. Sure, armoring up your head will help, but what about that BB that penetrates the neck? That is a pretty vital area, Im sure everyone can agree with that. Im sure there are games right in this region that have 500fps games, but they are not mainstream in any case.......

[Catch22]

[Matt]

Well shit, Kevin already covered what I needed to say, with my own words.

To add to that... shots with higher FPS guns will penetrate skin, cause scarring and other injuries. These aren't temporary injuries that just go away in a few days. Most of us don't want to have to bundle ourselves up and wear full face masks for protection. Nobody wants to play Airsoft dressed like Ralphie's little brother in A Christmas Story. "I can't move my arms!!"

You may already be ugly, so scarring might not matter to you, but I am a damn sexy meanie and I intend to stay that way.

I also don't think you understand the limitations of most AEGs. If everyone had 600 fps guns, we would be constantly having to work on them to keep them shooting. You also lose a great deal of accuracy past a certain velocity. It's impossible for a round object to travel at such a high speed and stay on a strait path. That's why bullets are not round, they are cone shaped for aerodynamics.

[KA-BAR]

god....every fuckin year? like clockwork, summer starts and a FPS thread erupts....i swear to god ill start my crop rotations and base my calender on the apperence of FPS threads. is a FPS thread in the mayan calander? maybe they shot themselves to death with primitive airsoft technology....someone started a " why are our blowguns only 300 fps" thread.

ill show up to his game with taylors amped APS2, i belive troy had is shooting around 760-790ish.


malik, you wont see me, i am a bleeding bush, then i will shoot you in the face and you will start a thread called....



"400 FPS is AWSOME!"



now push the earth till i get tired, for starting this thread.

[Variable]

Shiiiit. Lets just get some Blue Noise upgraded 900fps JG M4s.

[Mini-Marine]

Shiiiit. Lets just get some Blue Noise upgraded 900fps JG M4s.

With melded springs!

[SilentStalker]

Do we need to bring this up every month? Another FPS Limit thread was started on Mar 16.
Please use the search feature and see that your questions and/or statements have been addressed in other threads.

Mods please lock this thread.

[~Thunder~]

I'm assuming Malik has never been shot with a gun shooting 500 FPS or higher.

I volunteer to shoot him in the a$$ with a gun shooting 500 FPS or higher, to see if he changes his mind.

i second that.