Resurrection IV

[Топотун]

Headbands are a terrible idea--scratch any concept of stealth. Both arms would be preferred, though.

I agree 100%, but then stealth tends to start going out the window as soon as most of us start showing out pasty white arms while wearing t-shirts.

We really shouldn't have to be having this discussion. The solution to this problem is simple, if you want to play mil-sim then wear the uniform of the day for your team no matter the weather. A person stays hydrated a lot better while wearing long sleeves than a t-shirt anyhow. I really appreciate your efforts, Riddick. However, I would respectfully suggest that in the future we should stick to the uniforms as prescribed in the briefing for the op.

[Riddick]

Headbands are a terrible idea--scratch any concept of stealth. Both arms would be preferred, though.

I agree 100%, but then stealth tends to start going out the window as soon as most of us start showing out pasty white arms while wearing t-shirts.

We really shouldn't have to be having this discussion. The solution to this problem is simple, if you want to play mil-sim then wear the uniform of the day for your team no matter the weather. A person stays hydrated a lot better while wearing long sleeves than a t-shirt anyhow. I really appreciate your efforts, Riddick. However, I would respectfully suggest that in the future we should stick to the uniforms as prescribed in the briefing for the op.

95 degree heat. not gonna happen. If people have to shed layers to keep cool and its induced for the safety of the players then thats what we do and go to arm bands or some other marker.

However under any other weather related condition yes people stick to camo but we always have to caution on the side of safety. In the grand scheme of things it's my a$$ not yours if something happens and I was negligent in the process.

[Catch22]

Maybe next time we can wear pink or blue motocross jerseys?

[Braddock]

Epic!!!

[Legendz]

There's a pretty simple way to determine wether or not someone is on your team. My squad and I were running tape on both arms after we took our camo tops off. That worked pretty well, but there is always the off chance that people aren't going to see the tape. So we got our team, this was on Sunday, to all challenge anytime they weren't absolutely positive that the person they were looking at was on their team. It's as simple as yelling green and waiting for the same in response, or lighting them up if they don't respond. Or you can make it slightly more complicated and go with the old "Thunder" "Flash", a challenge word and appropriate response. It all comes down to honesty, as most of airsoft does...that and the team paying attention.

[Braddock]

I had tape on the back of my hydration and the front of my chest rig and on my arm. I still got shot in the back by a team mate.

Trigger happy kids....

Kids are not taught to think these days. I blame video games and Obama

[Legendz]

Even though you might consider me one of those kids braddock, I have to agree with you. I did my best to not friendly fire all weekend. And at the night game I think I received more friendly fire than I did enemy fire all weekend. So I feel your pain. There was an instance on saturday during the day where our team mates watched our squad move up into a treelike and then lit us up from behind...before we ever took our camo tops off...trigger happy kids is definitely the right phrase...

[Топотун]

95 degree heat. not gonna happen. If people have to shed layers to keep cool and its induced for the safety of the players then thats what we do and go to arm bands or some other marker.

However under any other weather related condition yes people stick to camo but we always have to caution on the side of safety. In the grand scheme of things it's my a$$ not yours if something happens and I was negligent in the process.

Okay, I'm going to make one last earnest effort at education here. Please consult the "Guidebook For Marines", "U.S. Army's Essential Subjects", "Air Force Survival Manual", "S.A.S. Survival Manual", or for that matter any manual on hot weather survival and you'll see that they all agree that the LAST thing a person in a hot weather environment should do is shed their clothing. The U.S. Army ACU uniform was desisgned to be lightweight and loose fitting to allow cooling in hot temperatures. Much hotter than 95. When you encourage people to change to black T-shirts, it increases their risk of a heat injury. Since it is your a$$, I suggest you do some reasearch.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

Gonna call bullshit on that. Loosing layers helps cool you down with most uniforms.
I'm gonna stay cooler without my blouse than with it. Also don't see how that's going to affect hydration.
For claims that go against what most of us have figured out by living in our environment please provide scientific data to back it up.

[Топотун]

Gonna call bullshit on that. Loosing layers helps cool you down with most uniforms.
I'm gonna stay cooler without my blouse than with it. Also don't see how that's going to affect hydration.
For claims that go against what most of us have figured out by living in our environment please provide scientific data to back it up.

I just provided you with the reading material. I've already backed it up. When you're done reading it, get back to me.

[Jester316]

Keep in mind the audience those books were written for....

Airsofters are out of shape, lazy, and generally heavy. For them, shedding layers will be better then keeping them on. Shedding layers allows the sweat soaked layers to release the moisture into the air. This causes a cooling and is beneficial. Keeping layers on traps the moisture, which in turn RAISES the temperature.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

You did not provide me with reading material. The books you mentioned are not freely available. If copies were available online, or you posted excerpts of the relevant parts that would be providing me with reading materials.

[code789]

i'm looking at the S.A.S. Survival Manual and i sure dont see a "hot weather survival" the closest i can find is "TROPICAL SURVIVAL" and "DESERT SURVIVAL" and base on what you are saying you are talking about the desert survival where the air is dry your sweat evaporates quickly, the reason not to shed is to protect your self against the desert elements and to slow down the sweating. but in case you haven't noticed salem is not a desert and we have a lot of trees which keeps the air somewhat humid (avg 57% humidity during fraction wars). wearing long sleeves in a humid environment is very uncomfortable which is why you see soldiers rolling up their selves during the Vietnam war.

[Riddick]

The debate is silly. You want me to jeopardize the safety of my players to preserve the atmosphere of uniform restrictions on the hottest day of the summer so far because you don't agree with a simple principal of shedding layers to cool down. While I agree with you that we lose the immersion factor, I'm simply not going to jeopardize people over it who are playing a make believe scenario and not being shot at with real bullets. There is no comparison between what we do and what is going on in Iraq.

Safety First.

[Ivan Daylovich™]

Actually he's saying you'll stay cooler if you don't shed clothing, which we are disagreeing with.