Battlesim and Insights Training present: CQB - 2-3 AUG 2008

[Kendodude]

Wait, so this is a competition and not a training correct?

So teams will have to sign up?

[hellmutt]

Yes this is a competition. It will be team signup. We will likely have a couple of "pickup" team slots for individuals without teams who want to go.

[Carpet]

Yes this is a competition. It will be team signup. We will likely have a couple of "pickup" team slots for individuals without teams who want to go.

Woot for solos

[mr.eke]

Hello,

I'm Greg Hamilton from InSights Training Center, the guys who will be running the CQB comp. Dates are still up in the air but we are working on them.

First off Battlesim will be answering all your questions concerning FPS of guns, mags, etc. and other admin stuff.

The competition will be both paper target scenarios and role player scenarios, probably about 4 paper, 2 roleplayer. 3-4 missions on Sat and 2-3 on Sun.

We will publish as much of the scoring criteria we can before the comp. We will also probably publish at least one mission with floor plans before hand so you can get an idea of planning.

Each mission will give you the standard who, what, when, where, why stuff. You will be given you restrictions i.e. what level of force you can use (DD's, ballistic or explosive breaching etc)

Most the missions will revolve around rescuing, recovering, or arresting someone. That makes time on target critical. You will be graded and timed from your LCC to the breachpoint, and from breach/compromise to target secure, or target extraction/return to LCC-extraction point depending on the mission.

Taken from Battlesim's forums: http://www.battlesim.com/forums/viewtop ... a&start=25

[Thompson]

These events require several (read 5-6) months heads up. Not 2. Im no-go.

[CommieHunter]

What's the Date and Cost?

[hellmutt]

These events require several (read 5-6) months heads up. Not 2. Im no-go.

That's too bad. It will likely be the end of July if that helps. Although I do seem to remember that the BSP Challenge was announced at the beginning of December for the beginning of March which is 3 months and this is being announced in the beginning of May for the end of July which is roughly 3 months. . .

What's the Date and Cost?

We are still finalizing date and cost which will depend on the availability of Insight's training.

[Ollie Twist]

Hey hellmutt, any idea on an age limit? us younger guys wanna get tatical too.

[hellmutt]

Dates have been set for Aug 2-3. Location is Buckley, WA. Price and registration link to be announced.

[hellmutt]

Registration opens tonight!

Video promo added!

FIRST PLACE PRIZE IS FREE ADMISSION!!!

[danneskjold]

We just went out and tested a few of the missions on the site Monday. Everything looks good. Video to follow.


Just to clarify, score will not just be based on time, many other factors will be scored also, the vast majority of those will be announced prior to each stage so you know what you are trying to achieve.

The scenarios will be both military and LE in nature and require the teams to change ROE/use of force techniques to match the mission.

Be ready to do door and window breaching, use ladders, breaching tools, breaching shotguns, and simulated explosive breaching. Also we have inert flashbangs, if you have any airsoft flashbangs bring them to use.

You will also need to use combatives, we have padded suits and there will be role-players in these suits that need to be taken down forcefully.


Once we give you the mission and what breachpoint you can use, it is up to you. Be creative and solve the problem with minimum casualties. We will not constrain you in problem solving as long as the plan will work with the scenario set-up.

Be ready to do real mission planning and rehearsals, this will be critical to mission success and will also be graded.

larger teams will have an easier time than smaller teams but smaller trams can complete the missions and even win but they will have to think more unconventionally.

You instructors will be a mixture of military spec-ops (mostly SF) and SWAT team members (most former Mil also) and a few long time tactics instructors from my staff. they will be there to not just grade you but to do a detailed AAR with you walking your team through every aspect of your mission and showing how and why it went right and wrong and giving advice on improvement.


Here's a freebie learning point:

Many missions allow for a undercover operative to do a walk-by of the breachpoint and possible windows, to do a positive ID of which door it is and how to get there. Also ID door construction, locks, cameras, lookouts, etc. So have one team member that can quick-change into civilian clothes (a male/female team works good for this as they draw little suspicion) This person/ or persons should then work point for the team movement or be pre-staged outside the breach to ID it to the approaching team or eliminate lookouts.

[Jaeger48]

As long as the price tag stays away from the BattleSim standard three-digit mark, I may be persuaded to check this out.

Agreed, the variability doesn't sit well with me. I don't mind going all the way to the Airsplat location in OR (I'm 45 minutes north of Tacoma) when games like Conflict Europe 2 are $25 but at a good facility. I don't think Battlesim has many events over $100 but there are enough around the 50-75 mark with ww2 or 'nam uniform requirements just turn me off.

[chapped]

Sounds pretty nice.
I especially like the padded perp notion. Physical take downs are a HUGE plus.

Biggest contention is the sliding entry fee scale..... At best 60 bucks is a hefty entry. Personally I wouldn't pay more than 60.

I'm watching this with interest.

[Mars]

Chapped, your avatar is reallllly creepy. Also, the fat suits are funny as hell and it's very satisfying to enter a room and then slam a guys head into the ground and kneel on it. I've got a solution for anyone who's wearing of the admission fee, WIN!

I hope the price tag doesn't put anyone off because these things are once in a great while and with the caliber of cadre, you're receiving critique from one of the top training companies in the world.

[mr.eke]

Why do people have a problem with $60 for 2 days of action. I see people regularly fill games that cost $50 for 2-3 hours of play.

Come up with a better reason for not going.
I'll even let you guys rough me up a bit.


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